Re: Waivers, What 2 Year Colleges Are Doing and Why

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Posted by old coach on July 08, 2020 at 02:46:14:

In Reply to: Re: Waivers posted by coach on July 07, 2020 at 10:09:56:

: : : : : : : : : : : The simple answer is to issue Waiver of Liability for those that will allow their sons to play basketball this year. When I woke up today I still am free and live in USA. Families make better choices than governments.

: : : : : : : : : : In a democracy, the social compact that holds us all together is based on the greatest good for the greatest number, while at the same time preserving essential rights not expressly granted to the government. Many people make the fundamental mistake of thinking we all have the right to do whatever we want, whenever we want, consequences to others be damned. That's NOT America. It's not the sort of "freedom" that is among the unalienable rights of man to which the founders referred in the Declaration of Independence.

: : : : : : : : : : There's no better day than the 4th of July to remind ourselves that all of our freedoms have limits, and that the government exists to, among other reasons, exercise what the constitution refers to as the powers implicit to regulate behavior and enforce order for the betterment of the health, safety, morals, and general welfare of the inhabitants of these United States.

: : : : : : : : : : And wen there's a pandemic, a simple waiver may relieve schools from being exposed to liability should someone get sick, but it does nothing to protect the rest of us.

: : : : : : : : : : Time to look at the forest, not just the trees. Wise up. This pandemic and the massive loss of life we've already experienced, and that yet to be seen, is bigger and far more important than whether little Johnny or Susie get to bounce a ball.

: : : : : : : : : Agree with original poster. Second poster is controlled under piped piper and is easily manipulated.

: : : : : : : : To date Confirmed cases 11,099,645 Deaths 525,557 World totals. About 3.5% Common flu about same. WAKE UP You are being lied to. Even Leo Terrell, NAACP high ranking member finally woke up!!! Democrats started the KKK and much worse been lying to those that are eaily manipulated as stated above.

: : : : : : : Any more bot-inspired ramblings you'd like to regurgitate? Your assertion is from a debunked Fakebook post from 2017. And Leo Turrell hasn't been with the NAACP for quite some time.

: : : : : : : The death rate of the flu is 0.1%. Covid is estimated at 0.7-1.0%, but we haven't been through the worst yet.

: : : : : : : The Democrats of the 19th-early 20th centuries would vote Republican today, and vice versa. Strom Thurmond, a segregationist Dixiecrat who once filibustered for over 24 hours to block a Civil Rights Bill, became a Republican in the 1970s after splitting from the Democrats in 1948.

: : : : : : : Secondly, the KKK was not started by any political party. The founding members likely voted Democrat, but that was to oppose the more progressive Republicans of their time.

: : : : : : : Back to the original post, the waivers won't really matter if gatherings of over 10 people are not permitted by the state governor. The virus is circulating in record amounts, and once people's resistance drops this fall (as it does every flu season), the death toll will skyrocket.

: : : : : : : Think about it, the virus was barely circulating early February, two months from the end of flu season. This flu season, it will have the entire five months and will be starting with millions of cases instead of a few thousand. At this point, Covid deniers are walking like lambs to a slaughter, ironically helping bring about the fascism and loss of liberty and livelihood they warned us of.

: : : : : : Waivers, corona virus don't care about any stinking waivers.
: : : : : Corona virus may not care about waivers but lawyers do and if one is signed they aren’t able to go after you

: : : : If gatherings of 10 or more people indoors are banned, a waiver may also be needed for the games to be played on concrete blacktops outside.

: : : : Or maybe you can make a really big hole through your school gym's roof?

: : : : If corona is circulating in large quantities, enough for all non-essential indoor activity to be banned by state governors, getting parents to sign waivers for outdoor games would be difficult. Few if any high schools would even take the risk, and the only sports would be a loose grouping of sporadic club ball tournaments in places like Pocatello.

: : : General consensus is there will be NO HS hoops this year. Too many obstacles to overcome. I know coaches who want to retire or quit. I know refs who dont want to be around groups of people. Parents are worried and rightfully so. This pandemic is the worst thing to hit us in our lifetime. Unfortunately, High School basketball takes back seat at a time like this.

: : There will be high school basketball. Count on it !

: You must be living on Mars to think there will be hoops. LOL - You watch much news or read the papers>???

The 2 year colleges are talking about a shortened season and doing it in the spring, maybe high schools will follow that, not sure how that would play out for high school. The trouble with a waiver is that it may not be legally binding and schools are afraid of liability. US has tested almost 40 million and testing about a million every two days , some have suggested using testing now that there is a test that can give you results in 45 minutes but the problem with that is if you have just been exposed,say the day before you can still get a false negative

The virus is pretty harmless for young people, e.g. NO ONE under the age of 10, and i think 1 under 14 has died of it worldwide (thousands in the age bracket die of regular flu) and very few in older teens but it is the spread to older folks. think refs. I've been in touch witht the data set owner of CDC and asked why normal flu and pneumonia deaths have fallen to almsot zero and he said it is because they code everything that is flu like. But it is still serious Regardless the constant news coverage has made it front and center even though deaths from cardio are still 6x higher and rising faster than normal because people are afraid to go to doc or hospital.
But we will see what happens with these rising cases, tens of thousands have marched in protest and the new hot spots cities correspond with as L.A. County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer, a Democrat, recently said it is “highly likely” that the recent overall increase in positive cases is related in part to the mass protests. Regardless it is more cases and doesn't bode well for any fall or winter sports . On the positive: Moderna is very close to a vaccine and starting their phase 3 (last phase) of trials this month, /July and should be done by September and reports are that it is working. Novavax is also close.
Unfortunately the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the FDA require a lot of protocol/ study before releasing. So maybe start of 2021 that is why 2 year colleges are betting spring will be ok

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