Posted by Dave Reville on September 18, 2020 at 16:17:49:
In Reply to: Re: COVID update - still too risky to play posted by Missing the point on September 18, 2020 at 12:56:25:
: : : : : : : : : : It¡¯s too soon to resume HS/college basketball. There's still too much unknown about the effects of COVID-19. Even people who survive it often experience serious damage to heart, lungs, kidneys, brain.
: : : : : : : : : : A recent column in the Washington Post cited a study in the New England Journal of Medicine. One of the authors of the column, William Li, was co-author of the study.
: : : : : : : : : : " ...The coronavirus was found to infect and inflict serious damage to the vascular endothelium ¡ª the single layer of cells that line the blood vessels of organs such as our brain, kidneys, heart and lungs....
: : : : : : : : : : "If covid-19¡äs vascular effects are widespread, the more than 20 million patients who have ¡°recovered¡± could be living with serious damage to their blood vessels. That could unleash a global surge in vascular diseases, from stroke and atherosclerosis to myocarditis and heart attack.¡±
: : : : : : : : : : Until we know more, we should not be risking our kids (or their family¡¯s) health. To those who say it's a personal choice to take that risk - your "choice" ends where it impacts my (or my family's) health. We have certain restrictions/laws that we agree are necessary to maintain a civil society - driving restrictions, seatbelt laws, smoking laws, etc. This should be one of those. No one should be playing basketball - or any indoor, group, contact sport - until we get a handle on this virus.
: : : : : : : : : Read more than just the parts that support your alarmist view of this situation and maybe studies with a broader approach and view. Lots of "signs of" and "if" and "may" and "could". It also says it could take years to know. So we shut down everyone's life for 10 years and see what they say? They've been studying this for almost a year and yet they have nothing conclusive? You want to wait until they do?
: : : : : : : : : If you read the complete study and the dozens upon dozens of others just like it, you'll notice a pattern. The studies are done on those that were hospitalized by the virus and therefore had severe cases and then it's only about half of the serious cases and even with them the long-term effects lessen and get better over time with almost all. They've also compared their findings to studies done on serious cases of the flu and found them to be very similar with many of the same long term effects.
: : : : : : : : : So stop everything because "maybe" half of the half of the 1% of people that get Covid-19 "might" have long lasting effects like people with serious cases of the flu do?
: : : : : : : : Coach is right. Saying "there are too many things we don't know about this virus" is a cop out. It's plain to see that the virus presents the most danger to those who have serious health issues or are over the age of 75. I'm not aware of any athletes and very few children who require hospitalization due to COVID or even suffer sever effects from the disease. It's time to do what we should have done months ago - reopen fully with the proper precautions (wear masks, socially distance, quarantine the sick and those who are high risk) and get life back to normal.
: : : : : : : : As for high school sports specifically, most other states are doing California a huge favor and reopening their schools and youth sports. Assuming that all those participants don't suddenly develop terrible health problems we can assume it will be safe for Grand Dictator Newsome to let the kids play.
: : : : : : : Love the "alarmist". That's what Trump says Fauci is. Schools that are open are already reporting kids and teachers getting sick. But, hey, it's less than 1%, so let's open up the schools and have fans in the stands, too. What's one or two deaths in the grand scheme of things, righ? Get real!
: : : : : : No one is advocating large numbers of fans in the stands. The clusters you see at games are people who live together.
: : : : : : https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/coronavirus-teacher-deaths-fall/
: : : : : : The teachers who got sick did so before students were back on campus, in each of these six cases. None were around students.
: : : : : No reason to have spectators. Keep the loud mouth parents out of the gym. Better for all. Finally, a better atmosphere for kids.
: : : : So the teachers getting sick is ok?
: : : This is a point I've been trying to make - the kids might not get sick, but their teachers, parents, grandparents etc will be at tremendous risk. Especially African American and Hispanic families, which have been much harder hit by Covid. Until we know more, I don't think it's worth this risk, kids should not be playing contact group sports indoors. Others may disagree - I've been wrong before - and truth be told, I hope to hell I'm wrong this time. But I'd rather open too late (which admittedly has its own, lesser risks) than too soon, which could be tragic.
: : Possible in a year or two you might be singing a different tune if your child has a life long heart issue or died from an heart issue that is linked to the virus. Then a good chance you would sue the school or club team for allowing play. People forget the saying: Better to be safe than sorry. These are our kids for gosh sake. Our legacy. Willing to risk them????
: :I think the point is being missed. If you or your child have existing health concerns or even no pre-existing problems, then by all means take the precautions you feel are warranted, but your decision should not dictate how others choose to live their lives in order to properly educate and socialize their child.
No one is missing the point. I have NEVER said anyone should do what I do, or think how I think. I HAVE said - and will say again - it is my belief that it's too early to play, and that we should be very cautious about putting kids back on the court until we have a handle on this. Of course you're free to have a different opinion.
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