Posted by Let's Get Real on May 17, 2020 at 11:41:46:
In Reply to: Re: The real problem for restarting sports in high schools posted by hedleylamarr on May 15, 2020 at 10:43:23:
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: : : : : : : : : : : You are wrong! Just like the common cold and the flu there will never be a cure for this virus.
: : : : : : : : : : There is no such thing as "the"common cold virus. Some viruses are problems that get solved, some do not.
: : : : : : : : : : The case fatality rate is still very high for this virus, and there is still no treatment or vaccine, and we still don't know the effectiveness of the antibodies after someone has suffered from the virus.
: : : : : : : : : : But I get it--science is hard.
: : : : : : : : : : Walt's Dog
: : : : : : : : : Both of you make sense in ways and both but both of you are on opposite sides of the spectrum.
: : : : : : : : : POS: The above poster said schools won't take the liability and thats why there won't be sports. Bottom line if you were a school admin would you want that risk. Hell no. It prob will be safe but all it takes is one and its over. Period. You are correct about the mass panic and CNN watching. Its a joke. This is a virus that is no more dangerous than the flu. Bottom line is millions of people have or had it and most have no symptoms so don't get counted for having it. My cousin is a doctor and thinks 50 million already had it. Bottom line is the death rate is so much lower than accounted for due to all the people who don't get tested.
: : : : : : : : : Walt:
: : : : : : : : : Influenza is the common cold and it kills 88k per year in US. Absolutely no fear of this and no paralysis like Corona. Corona is also a flu but since there are red tapes on CNN and 24 hour panic coverage it is designed to keep everyone afraid and not going out. So doctors can have the hospitals in control. Well done! Its worked. Yes its bad but nowhere near how they are playing it out to be. Bottom line if they had a ticker tape for all the deaths of influenza and a running count all year the public would stay home also and not send their kids to school. You of all people should know that the case fatality rate is nowhere close to the 3% based on the above facts. More like .00003%. Yes its a virus and yes no cure but the panic and economic depression doesn't meet the panic.
: : : : : : : : There's no question that as we learn more about this virus we are learning that the fatality rates are well below 1%. Many cases are not being diagnosed because the symptoms are so mild the victim does not even realize they are sick. The virus appears to be relatively fragile and does not travel far through the air or survive long without a host. Most health professionals have said that social distancing and washing hands is all that is needed for most people who are not in high risk categories, not masks and self-quarantine. Once enough people believe this, or once the cost of staying home and hiding under the couch gets to be too high, this silliness will end and we'll all get back to work and school and basketball. Professional sports are already exploring options to do this, and once they do society will follow. This is not the end of the world. You heard it here first.
: : : : : : : So maybe Golf and Tennis can carry on for example, but how would basketball work when distancing is required to eliminate the spread of the virus? Or are you saying it's okay to spread the virus via basketball?
: : : : : : I am saying there is a real chance that a player could contract the virus IF they had close contact with another player who had the virus, however the consequences of contracting the virus would be minimal, about like catching a cold. There are really no significant deaths of healthy, fit teenagers being documented due to COVID-19. Most victims are weak elderly people with preexisting health disorders. Those in high risk categories should continue to shelter at home and should not attend high school basketball games.
: : : : : So in your scenario. Covid Player A lives with a young healthy single mom in a nice home but has no symptoms but passes it to teammate and/or opponent or Ref, etc. That teammate/opponent/Ref lives in 6 member household that spans 3 generations with 1 that works in a busy office building and another in a hospital and retired grandparents that are just home all day, 1 gets ICU sick and another dies. When they trace it back to their bball player who traces back to that Covid Player A, is the school liable or that player or nobody? They want wrongful dealth $ and pay their ICU medical bills <--there lies the problem. US is a very I will sue you mentality.
: : : : There's nothing requiring students to participate in basketball games. Waivers will be distributed and signed to protect the school in the event of what you are describing. Anyway, there's no judge in the world that will open the Pandora's box of allowing a school to be sued because someone "may" have contracted a virus while in attendance. Can you imagine the chaos in the legal system? Do you recall all the times your child caught a cold, or the flu, or conjunctivitus, or something else while they were at school? Do you remember all the lawsuits that got filed by all the parents of the kids in the class? There weren't any, and there never will be any. Again, we are talking about a virus that presents with extremely mild symptoms in the majority of those who contract it, especially school-aged children. Those in high risk households may choose to have their child avoid sports, or maybe even potentially home school their child.
: : : It really all depends what the Governor thinks. It would not open a legal Pandora's Box as no Governor has never ordered non-essential gatherings shut down over the flu or common cold. The Governor has done so for Coronavirus.
: : : Technically there wouldn't have to be more than 14 people in the gym at any time, (ten players, two refs, scorekeeper and shot clock operator, coaches stand in doorway), so if public gatherings of 15 or more are cleared, there could be games played. Possibly even without a waiver that would force the parents to assume all liability (or if the player was over 18, suppose the player could take that responsibility).
: : : But if public gatherings aren't cleared, basketball would have to go underground. First rule of fight club?
: : Thanks Ed, I'm a big fan by the way.
: : I think we might see sports played with limited numbers of people in the gym. Then again, with OC starting to up their protests against the draconian shutdown, I think you might see things relax quite a bit by fall. It will be interesting to see where this all lands.
: Draconian shutdown?
Why are you so afraid of my opinion?
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