Posted by Let's Get Real on May 05, 2020 at 16:32:24:
In Reply to: Re: These words...I do not think they mean what you think they means posted by Jeff Lamp on May 05, 2020 at 13:54:44:
: : : : "I don't understand your comment about an additive effect, and I don't think you understand it either."
: : : Walt's Dog is likely referring to underlying cause of death (UCOD). Coronavirus may not kill people directly, but it can cause something that will.
: : : For example, HIV has never directly killed anyone. But the virus it causes leads to the collapse of the immune system, at which point any illness can kill a person.
: : : Coronavirus makes people susceptible to ARDS, pneumonia, and can cause organ failure indirectly if the body has a hypo-inflammatory response to the replicating virus. Granted, older people are far more prone to these, but even those over the age of 45 (40% of the USA) are significantly more vulnerable. Keeping them sequestered until the virus passes, while everyone under 45 is out spreading it, isn't really an option. Finally, who makes the call on who stays home and gets to go out? How many underlying conditions is too many? For the essential workers who happened to be over 45, having countless healthy asymptomatic spreaders around would make every day a minefield.
: : : This isn't even considering the damage it has done to the lungs of survivors of all ages, the ramifications of which will likely be unknown for years to come.
: : : : "As for those deaths occurring anyway, I know just as much as you do. In other words, we are both speculating. But if you read the instructions the CDC provided to health care workers in filling out death certificates*, you will note that the CDC itself says "Natural deaths are due solely or almost entirely to disease or the aging process (8). In the case of death due to a COVIDľ19 infection, the manner of death will almost always be natural." In other words, the coronavirus may bring death earlier than expected for the old, sick, and weak, but it's not (generally, to the best of our knowledge) striking down young healthy people like a bolt of lightning."
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: : : Saying the Coronavirus only kills people who would have died anyway is like saying Magic Johnson only made passes for shots the other Lakers could have made on their own.
: : : On a death certificate, "natural causes" actually refers to the "manner of death" rather than the specific cause.
: : : Coronavirus causes death by natural causes, but the fact it has killed people with no pre-existing conditions makes it the likely driving force behind deaths of people with comorbidities. In other words, those people would not have died this soon, and not all at once.
: : I don't agree with your analogy. I agree that coronavirus gets the assist in the event of coronavirus-related deaths. But many weak and older people die of pneumonia, although if you ask a doctor they will tell you it was just that person's time to go. As the body reaches a certain point it is unable to fight off many diseases that younger healthier bodies have no trouble with. To those high risk people, a common cold becomes potentially deadly since that can often turn into pneumonia.
: The common cold or flu has never wiped out half a nursing home in weeks. A nursing home isn't the same as a hospice, not everyone in a nursing home is on a "DNR" order.
: Come to think of it, maybe Michael Cooper and Byron Scott could have run point for Showtime...Magic always stealing credit
The flu has wiped out far more people than coronavirus ever will. I don't think you know what you're talking about.
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