Posted by no fear just reason on May 01, 2020 at 14:21:29:
In Reply to: Re: Games with empty stands. posted by More Quarantine please on May 01, 2020 at 10:37:52:
: : : Games with no parents in the stands; a dream of high school coaches for decades!
: : Common sense
: : Quarantine the sick
: : Don't Quarantine the healthy
: : When this is all said and done, it will come out that those exposed to the virus will be a number closer to 80-85% making mortality rates infinitesimal.
: : Our immune systems are currently not being able to do what they are made to do and may cause more damage down the road than what we are "experiencing" right now.
: And how, pray tell, do you proposed to distinguish the "sick" from those who aren't "sick"?
: Oh yeah, with testing. The testing that we are simply unable to do right now. While Herr Trump continues to spout rosy drivel about how we're "far ahead of other nations when it comes to testing" that's nonsense.
: The estimates now from CDC and NIH is that even with new Abbot Labs "quick tests" we can only test about 250,000-500,000 people a day, and that's on a good day. When the states are all "re-opened" and there's no more "safeer at home" going on, even if we could test every many, woman and child in the country on the same day, we'd still have those testing positive continuing to shed the virus on those who aren't yet infected, and we cannot stop the virus.
: You do understand that there is no natural immunity to this virus; it's NOT the common cold, and it's not the flu. There is no vaccine and won't be for at least a year, and that's if we are lucky.
: Think about all the viruses for which there is no vaccine. Despite decades of trying, there are still no vaccines against viruses that kill tens of millions of people and cause untold suffering every year: HIV, respiratory syncytial virus, and the cancer-causing Epstein-Barr virus. And the list is a mile long.
: There are many reasons why, including how hard it is to identify the exact piece of an antigen that will trigger production of an effective antibody. And even when vaccines exist, they fail when B cells donít rearrange their DNA segments in a way necessary to manufacture the needed antibodies.
: The point is, our world is changed now forever unless and until we have a viable vaccine. This virus will continue to come in waves and will keep on killing all over the world until scientists can figure out a way to neutralize it. Just like science did with polio.
: Trump can blame China; we can blame the Trump administration for wasting months doing nothing; you can blame bats, claim that it came out of a lab in Wuhan, or that it's a military or terriorist attack gone horribly wrong.
: Whatever the truth (or the conspiracy theory du jour), none of that matters now. It's here. It's going to stay. And our world and we will have to adapt to it, or many among us will be vulnerable and suffer and die.
: That's no "the sky is falling." It's the cold, hard truth slapping us in the face, and no amount of aspirational talk from politicians, or talk about "freedom", or the Constitution, courts, or nonsense about restricting the powers of state governments to declare public health emergencies, is going to change this.
: Only testing and ultimately the development of a vaccine will let us return to life as we once knew it.
: Basketball is a game, a diversion, entertainment and recreation for most. Other than professional players who earn their living from it (and those parts of the economy that are tied to the game, which is, on this message board, the majority), it's not something that most of the world population is willing to get sick and die over.
: If you want to see a leader who understands the math and the science of how we survive the pandemic and keep the infection and re-infection numbers at a level that keeps the virus from multiplying beyond our capacity to treat people, watch the link below.
: It's the general population staying home that is keeping the "curve" down. Re-opening is a huge mistake, and while it may temporarily boost the economy and give people who can't earn a living sitting at a computer something constructive to do, it's also going to spread the virus and lead to yet more reasons to go back to staying at home again.
: You want to only quarantine the "sick"? Good luck finding out who those people are....This is why those who know are saying the only way we can get ahead of this is to test, test, and test some more. Otherwise, we have no idea who is infected and who isn't.
:Pretty easy, if you're sick, you have symptoms. Wait until all of the problems (including death) come to light due to the quarantine - people avoiding hospitals who have other health issues, mental health, suicide, substance abuse, domestic abuse, economic suicide, etc. Keep feeding the fear and you will see how the ultimate outcome plays out with far worse problems than the Coronavirus.
When we test, test, test you will see that a vast majority have already been exposed and have very minor symptoms or no symptoms at all. 50% of the deaths from Coronavirus in California are people who had pre-existing health problems and/or were in nursing homes or prisons. You can discount civil liberties all you want, but our country was founded on these liberties and pretty soon you will see the uproar if things continue under "lockdown".
"Pretty easy, if you're sick, you have symptoms."
For the umpteenth time, asymptomatic transmission is a thing, especially when it's cold outside, and breath tends to stay in the air.
"Keep feeding the fear and you will see how the ultimate outcome plays out with far worse problems than the Coronavirus."
People who keep bringing up "fear" are the ones trying to spread actual fear. Fear is not knowing what to do. We know the Virus can be curbed with social distancing, but underestimated it's virulence and transmission rate, and the role of asymptomatic carriers. Hence the shutdown to drop the rate of transmissions between people.
"When we test, test, test you will see that a vast majority have already been exposed and have very minor symptoms or no symptoms at all. "
This is absurd, and based on the study of a few isolated mountain towns who happened to be infected. A Stanford study found only 1.5-3% of the population had any antibodies. It is unclear if having antibodies in small quantities would be enough to fight off a large infection, something we'd be dealing with now if everything was left open. But by the time we've tested most of the population, most of the country may have it - in 2 years.
"50% of the deaths from Coronavirus in California are people who had pre-existing health problems and/or were in nursing homes or prisons"
I'm not surprised, because CA shut down before the curve would have skyrocketed. New York barely shut down in time to avoid their hospitals being overrun.
"You can discount civil liberties all you want, but our country was founded on these liberties and pretty soon you will see the uproar if things continue under "lockdown"."
One person's freedom ends where another person's begins. But you are right that the nation can't remain locked down much longer, even if large gatherings are prohibited, the majority of businesses need to reopen soon. Sadly, I don't know how youth sports will, unless the players play in masks and goggles. Even if the parents sign waivers, they would be taking on the responsibility of possibly spreading the virus by letting their kids play. Any organizers probably should get those signatures notarized.
Ironically, despite the complaining, this lockdown may have actually saved small businesses in the long run. A death toll in the millions over some years would have scared people away from all brick and mortar establishments, and we'd become the United States of (and brought to you by) Amazon.
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