Posted by Politely Disagree on August 11, 2017 at 08:26:10:
In Reply to: Re: Elite Camps posted by What they said... on August 10, 2017 at 19:21:52:
: : : : : : : So now that viewing season is over we are gettin emails for some "Elite" camps. Does this really mean anything or do these camps send these emails to everyone? Thanks.
: : : : : : They send invites to everyone, but you should definitely go to the ones of the schools you are interested in.
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: : : : : They go out to a lot of people. Many times if coaches see a player they like, they will send invites to their entire team.
: : : : : I agree if you are interested in a school, you should go, especially if you are frosh/soph/junior.
: : : : : If you are going into your senior year, you really have to be selective since there are multiples on the same days/weekends.
: : : : : Before I went, I would try to have your club or high school coach contact that school and gauge their interest. Because odds are, if your daughter has never talked/text/personal email (not the generic everyone gets) with a coach from that school, they don't know who she is and you are basically writing a check for their program.
: : : : : The odds of going to a camp as an unknown senior player and wowing them so much as to eventually generate an offer is very, very slim.
: : : : : Not trying to be harsh, just keeping it real.
: : : : : Here is another issue. Let's say your 2018 has any kind of real (again personal contact) interest from multiple schools. What do you do if their camps are on the same day? Or the same weekend but so far apart it isn't practical? Again you need to somehow contact that school and gauge their interest. Remember, they will always want you to come to camp ($$$ for them, if you like it you tell your younger teammates/friends, etc.). So you really need to see through the BS and figure out where you are on their list - Tier 1 (offers), Tier 2 (back up plan), Tier 3 (emergency plan), Tier 4 (check for them).
: : : : : Like much of college recruiting, it's a big racket. Realize that most letters/emails are generic from data they got from a viewing packet. It doesn't necessarily mean they have no interest, but it also doesn't mean they do.
: : : : : Hopefully you have a club/HS coach that is familiar with the process and has some contacts that can guide you.
: : : : : Good luck!
: : : : Thank you both for your input.
: : : :: I've seen girls attend a local camp, GET NOTICED - from their participation and get a bona-fide offer, by the end of camp. I'm talking D1 schools. It certainly isn't the norm - but it does happen more often than you'd think.
: : : I've got some advice for you. Make sure that YOU take charge of your daughter's recruiting process. Don't leave it up to her coaches, etc. Yes - they are often times ready, willing and capable of helping - and that's great. But make sure that at the end of the day you and your daughter do what's best for you. Other folks can and will compromise - but you won't. I also was given some excellent advice by a local club coach who told me to LEARN THE DIFFERENCE - between folks who are interested and not. There's so such thing as INTEREST - with no OFFER. If you're interested so much - then make a (scholarship) OFFER. Anything else - is BS. There's no other way to put it. Don't you get caught up with this "I'm interested...but haven't made an offer" stuff. Remember, "interest" = OFFER. I've been through this - and believe me, you have to "mind your daughter's business".
: : While I agree you need to take charge of your (child's) recruiting, I disagree that Interest only exists if there is an offer.
: : Every school has a list of kids they like for available positions/scholarships. Say a school needs a shooting guard. They identify their top 5 for that position. They have interest in all five of them. But they can only offer 1 at a time. So from the athlete's perspective, whether you are No. 1 or 5, that school has interest in you. Even if you are five, who is to say the school didn't over reach on a couple kids, and a couple others go somewhere else. That process may take weeks or months. There is still interest.
: : What is important is to differentiate real interest. If the coaches are calling/texting or saying to come for an unofficial visit, they are interested. That may or may not lead to an offer, but they do have interest.
: : If a coach emails you a form message saying come to our camp, that is not interest. That is a solicitation for a donation to their program for the camp fee. LOL.
: : If a college coach tells your club coach they like your game in a casual conversation, that is not interest. Of course, many club coaches will then tell the parents, "Coach X liked your game! They are interested!" just to keep the parents happy. Then when Coach X never contacts the player, there is the "I don't understand" reply from club coach.
: : There are many levels to recruiting. It's a shady business, and the ones who suffer the most are the kids.
: :: Shady business - don't get strung along. I still say interest = offer. And yes, a camp visit invitation is not interest.
I get what you are saying, but interest cannot only be an offer.
Let's say UCLA has two available scholarships. They make offers to the 2 players they really want. By your definition, those are the only players they are interested in. However, those same two players are offered by every other school in the Pac 12. If UCLA isn't showing interest (by most people's definition that would mean calls, texts, come to games, practice, etc.) in some other kids, they are most likely not going to get top recruits.
Because, if they could, UCLA would offer 5 or six kids, but can't due to scholarship limitations. If they don't show interest in other top kids, they can't go back to them later when the original 2 kids go to Oregon. Because those other kids are now committed somewhere else.
To me the main issue is honest coaches - college and club - who will tell the athlete/coach/parents what their real level of interest is.
Again, camp invitation is not interest. Watching one viewing tourney game is not interest (they could be there watching someone else, or just be walking by).
But a coach honestly telling an athlete, "We like you, but don't have any spots available right now, we will let you know if that changes," is interest. Especially if they keep talking to that athlete while they wait for Player A and B to make a decision.
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