Re: State of Affairs in So Cal


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Posted by However on July 11, 2017 at 17:52:27:

In Reply to: Re: State of Affairs in So Cal posted by Ehhhh on July 11, 2017 at 13:47:16:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 6 wins in 36 games. Tough season for the so cal teams. Time to consolidate forces.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Having multiple so cal teams wasn't an issue before. Talent is just light for class of 2018

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : Not much talent in Southern California this year period.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : We keep saying it and a few keep denying it. The girls are heading toward volleyball and soccer. Basketball is no longer the preferred sport. There are fewer girls and there are fewer elite girls. This is the new normal.

: : : : : : : : : : : : It always goes in cycles. It has always gone in cycles. It will always go in cycles. Talent and participation peaked about 8 years ago here in Orange County. It held up pretty well for a few years after that, then began to fall pretty steadily. There's probably a couple more years before it bottoms out and then it will start to rise again. That's not to say there aren't great players and great teams out there, but the overall numbers and depth drop.

: : : : : : : : : : : And so, it is time to conslidate some teams. So Cal wants to have a good representation of talent. This is similar to being RELEGATED in the Soccer leauges over in Europe.

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: : : : : : : : : : There is a down cycle in participation, and more elite athletes are being drawn to other sports, particularly volleyball.

: : : : : : : : : : A friend of mine who played Pac 10 Women's basketball has daughters who both play volleyball. Had no desire to play hoops past middle school. Why? No contact, more structured environment.

: : : : : : : : : : We would meet up at VB tournaments and she would just start pointing out all the players who would never have played VB when she was in high school because they would all be playing basketball.

: : : : : : : : : : Had another friend who pulled his daughter out of hoops in middle school for soccer. Said it was easier to get a scholarship.

: : : : : : : : : : I pointed out participation levels at that time - which was way more by soccer - and all of sudden she is back at hoops.

: : : : : : : : : : Parents are chasing scholarships - If you are six feet tall and/or can jump high, you are almost guaranteed a scholarship, regardless of athletic skill level in volleyball.

: : : : : : : : : : It will swing back. But it would help if basketball was less corrupt and more structured.

: : : : : : : : : : As for current Nike League situation, I would cut one team, and mandate well-publicized and well-run tryouts. Until these clubs start picking teams and not "names" or kids that "have paid their dues in the program", we will continue to suffer on the national level.

: : : : : : : : : : Normally, summer tourney scores don't matter as long as they are competitive - it's about exposure for the girls to coaches.

: : : : : : : : : : However, the Nike League is about winning. So pick teams that can win, not the ones with the flashy names that make it seem like you should win.

: : : : : : : : : TI totally agree stop picking socalled big name players and build real teams. Cal Sparks was given good teams a while back. After the infusion of players he could not see the real players and thus is the down fall good nite sparks.

: : : : : : : : Sad to say girls basketball has a big problem: the WNBA. Perception of being the home of "alternative lifestyles" leads many moms to put daughters in more "feminine" sports like volleyball (and slightly less so: soccer). Having said that-the same was said about the LPGA Tour 30 years ago, and I don't think you'd say that anymore! If the scholarships are there and the numbers are down, the numbers will rebalance at some point...

: : : : : : : : The re-balance hopefully will happen, but the NON-CONTACT sports like volleyball will continue to rise in participation. Also, players get to CHEER after every play and the SKILL SET for volleyball is easier to acquire and become proficient at.

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: : : : : : The volleyball skill set is very hard to become really good at. It is very technical - footwork, hand/eye, positioning, arm angles, approach angles, how the ball is passed/hit, etc. The margin for error is very small at the elite level.

: : : : : : Unlike basketball, where superior athleticism can get you buy, the VB court size neutralizes that and it becomes more about execution.

: : : : : : Another issue is accessibility. There are plenty of hoops around to shoot at. And you can work on ball handling by yourself anywhere with a ball.

: : : : : : VB requires a net and other people to practice. So unless you live near a beach community, you really only get to work on skills at HS or club practice.

: : : : : : In the end, the skill sets are different and both require a lot of work to become elite at.

: : : : : I had my daughter in martial arts from 7-10 years of age. Taught her how to take contact-big help in transitioning to basketball. On the other hand, she never liked a ball flying at her head...

: : : : : But, the scholarships available in VB have increased due to the Beach sport becoming more and more popular for universities to balance the scholarships between men and women(thanks title 9). The way that the BB could balance is 3 on 3. Look at the way 3 on 3 has become part of the international competition through USAB. This could be a WOMEN's COLLIEGIATE SCHOLARSHIP SPORT in the next 10-15 years.

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: : : While it may become a sport - which I am skeptical of - it will probably follow much the same model of Beach Volleyball.

: : : If you accept a Beach Volleyball scholarship, you cannot play indoor volleyball. However, if you are on indoor scholarship, you can play beach. So many of the beach players are simply indoor players, and there really aren't that many more scholarships.

: : : Since you can only get 500-1000 for regular women's basketball in many places, how many do you think you will draw for 3-on-3?

: : The US won the gold but did you see the games? They were a joke. And these were meant to be the cream of the US crop. Womens basketball has had the chance for growth and didn't make it. There will be something else in ten years aside from volleyball and who knows what it will be. Maybe Roller Derby.

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: Girls don't know how to play 3x3. If they were trained and coached on strategy, etc. it would be more entertaining.

: That being said, the issues with girls basketball remain the same - contact, too much corruption and/or not enough structure from a club/team/tournament perspective, and as someone pointed out the "alternative lifestyle" that is very prevalent and many parents sadly cannot accept so they push their kids to VB, soccer, LAX, etc.

The defense was also terrible and that shouldn't be the case. The US had the big advantage in size so they killed it there, but often the speedy guards just went right by the players, specifically Littleton.

The "alternative lifestyle" is so dreaded that we can't even realistically discuss it. But a very valid complaint heard many times on these boards is if a top club player is a lesbian and is constantly making unwanted advances to another player, the coaches will do nothing to stop it because they don't want to lose the top player. It is sexual harassment and if a few of the clubs were sued over it, we'd really see a can of worms opened up as other girls would come out by the dozens with similar stories and that would be another disaster for the sport.




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