Posted by Somewhat agree on June 28, 2017 at 08:29:47:
In Reply to: Re: Viewing Tournaments posted by Coach on June 27, 2017 at 06:51:15:
: : : : : : I had a chance to go to a viewing tournament with a college coach friend. While watching a big matchup game, a coach sitting next to me says "Shame. So much athleticism, so much potential and so few basketball players." A couple coaches got started talking about how little the girls appeared to know the game. Mostly one-on-one, run-and-gun basketball with little in the way of proper defense. Another coach mentioned that these players were "being trained to be cornerbacks and free safeties" and were "not prepared in the least to play collegiate half-court defense". It reminded one of the coaches of the days they'd go down to the city courts and watch pickup games. They did mention some coaches and clubs that they liked. I won't name them here to avoid the flame wars. I just thought it was interesting.
: : : : : I certainly agree with this to a point. I have seen the increase of the "cornerback" players the last few years. There are some clubs that are known for just winning because they are long and press and use their height advantage at the youth level. On one hand, if winning is all you care about then that is the way you do it.
: : : : : However, if you are trying to develop high level varsity players, and maybe/hopefully some college players, then you need to actually teach players how to play good half-court man, trap, and zone defenses.
: : : : : I have seen hundreds of club games from all levels the last few years. The number of teams - forget players - who do that is dwindling year by year.
: : : : : My advice for parents of youth players - forget wins and losses. Watch the way a team plays defense. If they do it the right way, then try to play there. If it's all run and gun - then you should run for the hills! LOL
: : ::: I agree with the original poster 100%. However, I would've liked to ask the college coaches that were attending and having that discussion, why are they rewarding that type of basketball? Why are they supporting that type of basketball. The very thing that these college coaches complain about, and it is a very familiar complaint, they have the power to change.
: : Stop attending these glorified all star tournaments. Start recruiting through the high schools again. These tournaments are simply just a convenience for colleges, but there are plenty of opportunities to watch these players with their high school teams. Start supporting those in the summer. My daughters high school team plays in many high school tournaments in the summer, but there are very few if any colleges in the stands. If team play, defense, and IQ really meant a lot to these coaches they would be at those events.
: : : They can control quite a bit more than they think they can.
: For the college coaches it's all about limited resources and opportunities and being able to reach the most players that are looking to play at the next level. You can go to a great high school tournament and see dozens of outstanding players, but only a few of them are even interested in playing at the next level. In a viewing tournament, every player wants to play at the next level.
There are multiple issues with switching the model to high school over club.
First, they can go to viewing tournaments and see many more quality players. For instance, on my daughter's high school team, there are 2 of them that can play at the next level. On her club team, there are 10. Multiply that over many teams and the numbers are obvious that viewing tourneys are a better deal for college coaches.
Second, most high school coaches are average at best. They don't get paid much. Some are teachers making a little extra cash. Also, if high school becomes the primary recruiting tool, the disparity between public an private schools will only grow larger as they pay their coaches more. And yes, I know there are plenty of clown club coaches, but I know many more competent club coaches than high school coaches.
Third, how many kids end up playing out of position in high school. Kids forced to play center because they are the tallest, but on their club team they are a 2 or a 3? Or the shooter/scorer that has to play PG on their high school team because they are the best dribbler?
Also, many high schools, because of lack of talent/height/coaching just sit in simple zones. Good club teams play mostly man, and when they do play zone, it is usually some kind of match-up and/or trapping zone.
And I know you can find examples on both sides where the above isn't true. But in the majority of cases, viewing environments are better for the colleges.
What I do agree with is stop rewarding "athletes" and recruit "players". Ideally, you recruit athletic players. But many schools feel they have to recruit what and who everyone else is, then when they don't get players 1-10, they are stuck with players 30-40 because that is what is left. Had they gone after 10-20 initially, they would be better off.
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