Re: C'mon Tramon!!!!


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Posted by Coach on June 04, 2017 at 11:38:09:

In Reply to: Re: C'mon Tramon!!!! posted by Coach Neil on June 02, 2017 at 22:56:07:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Tip Off Basketball Classic
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : November 21-25, 2017
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Hello Girls Basketball Coach,

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : It is our pleasure to officially announce that we, Culver City & St. Mary's Academy Girls Basketball Program will be hosting its Tip Off Basketball Classic in Culver City, CA & Inglewood, CA from November 21st -25th, 2017 and would like to extend the invitation to your girls’ varsity basketball team.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Please review tournament details and register your team by printing the attach form and submit to: 4401 Elenda Street, Culver City, CA 90230. You can also reply to this email with your information and intent to participate.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Tournament Details:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : November 21-25, 2017
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Location: Culver City High School & St. Mary’s Academy
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : $500 per team, due by November 1, 2017
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Awards for 1st , 2nd & 3rd place team
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 4 game guaranteed per team
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Girls High School Varsity division
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Certified Officials
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Registration deadline October 1, 2017
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Schedule posted by November 10, 2017
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Game Rules (CIF Rules)
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Gym Location
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Liability / Roster Form
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 2017 Schedule – posted by 11/10

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : If you need further information, please do not hesitate to contact us.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : We look forward to your participation!

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Julian Anderson
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Coach /Tournament Coordinator
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : E: coachjanderson@hotmail.com
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : p: (310) 594.2152

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Coach Tramon Steele

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Email:Tramonsteele@gmail.com

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Cell:323-617-7417

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : $500 for 4 games????? That is way overpriced.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : COACH "STEAL" - u killing me man! 5 bones to play up in your tourney???????

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Well if you ever been to the tournament you would know we pay the table and the shot clock person for each game and we have a hospitality room so all the coaches and referees can eat and have some refreshments after every game. Trust me the last thing I would do is "steal" money that's not coming out your pocket lol.

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : $500 is more than I think Palisades and Redondo charge and those are high level tourneys.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Who is playing in this? Need to know the level of competition before thinking of shelling out that kind of $$$.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Says it all does it not!

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Mot 4 game tourneys are between 400 and 500. Refs for 4 games comes out to 300.00. Awards, tee shirts, Isn't a school allowed to make a little. Lets say there are 12-14 teams and the profit is 100.00 each per team split between two schools. Why is that so bad. Make some money at the door. Both St Marys and Culver are self funded so making 1500-2000 per school for the tourney with door is standard and helps pay for the program for the year.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Come on guys. These are HS programs. Think of club programs that pay refs 25 per game and charge 300. Then charge 10 or 15 at door. Thats robbery. The money is going to a good cause, not in peoples pockets.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Shhheeeesh

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :$500 for 4 games, that's freekin robbery.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Most Schools also have to provide Security and Janitor service and those funds come out of the Entry and Gate Fees. High School Tourneys make nothing.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Not one 4 game tournament out there is less than 400.00. NOT ONE! 75 percent are between 400 and 450. So calling 500 robbery is a bit much. So they are 50-100 overpriced. Hardly robbery.

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : So I'm guessing the people who said it's robbery to charge $500 for a tournament never ran a tournament, so let me break it down for you. First off you have to pay for the security guard from the first game to the last game and that can run you about $15 dollars a hour for 4hrs so your set back $60 out the gate. Then you have to pay the janitor for 2 hrs after each day to make sure the bathrooms and gym is clean and that's another $30 dollars a day. Then you have to pay the clock person at least $10 dollars a game because some schools don't let kids work the clock now do to the coaches screaming at them so now your down another $40 dollars. Last but not least each ref gets $71 dollars per game so for one game your set back $142 per game. So let's add the totals for one game
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : Security $15 +clock person $10 + Refs $142= $167 a game.Now times $167x 4 = $668 that's your cost per day to run a tournament. So for 4 days $668 x 4 = $2,672 +$120 for your janitor your set back $2,882 and that's not including tournament Tees and trophies. Now who is getting robbed.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : :So what you are saying then is that Pali, Burroughs, Redondo, etc... are operating for a lost? These schools are known for hosting great events for years yet they cost less than $500.

: : : : : : : : : : : : Your math is off a little there. Lets say you need the security (not all schools need this) plus of course the clock person and refs, that is $167 according to you. That is fine. Let's say that is right. $500 for four games is $125 a game. The problem is you act like only one team plays at a time, but it is two. So two teams playing that one game, then they are bringing in $250 for that one game that costs $167. That is an $83 profit per game you host.

: : : : : : : : : : : : Obviously you have other expenses like the janitor, trophies, maybe even shirts for the kids. Keep in mind though that you also get the gate. Each game has two teams playing. Let's say you (conservatively) have ten paying parents per team, per game. If you charge $7 at the door (I have seen more and less) then you are bringing in an additional $140 a game or more.

: : : : : : : : : : : : So if you have a 16 team tournament, which is 8 games a day, you are making at least $223 a game. I think the $6,000+ (you don't count the entry fee for the two host teams) is more than enough for those shirts, trophies, and janitor.

: : : : : : : : : : : : WITH ALL OF THAT SAID, as the one poster above pointed out, this all takes a lot of work and a lot of supervision. Having two schools make $2,000 each (plus a free tournament) is a good thing and a worthy cause of us to support.

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: : : : : : : : : : : Redondo tournament is $525

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: : : : : : : : : : I personally don't understand what's the big deal, most high school tournaments are fundraisers to help support the girls basketball team. There is always a few kids that might need a lil help with something that her family can't afford at the time every school has them. Again the money is going to the Kids not the coaches who make -0 dollars hosting a tournament.

: : : : : : : : : :Nov 21-25, a 5 day tournament guaranteed 4 games. I hope it's not 1 game per day. That will be door charge of 4x per person or even 5x.

: : : : : : : : All HS tourneys are 1 game per day. The admission is how they make a lot of their profit.

: : : : : : : : Question is - how much is it?

: : : : : : : : I would think it should be $6-7 per day.

: : : : : : : : Maybe $7 with a tourney pass for $25.

: : : : : : : Don't forget Trophies and t-shirts cost a lot of money plus the free food for Coaches and Officials. Only Travel Ball Tourneys make money and why there are so many of them. They pay their officials a third of the going rate for High School plus they charge spectators $10 a ticket including kids plus some charge for parking.

: : : : : : I host club tournaments but I also host an annual JV and FS Tournament during Christmas break. That tournament makes money too. Sitting there and saying that HS tournaments don't make money is a joke.

: : : : : : Keep in mind that the door at a HS tournament is four or even five days where club is usually only two days. Club tournaments often charge less than $100 a game whereas HS tournaments often charge more than $100 a game. Both events do well if done right.

: : : : : : And for the record, not all club events charge $10 (we charge $8) and if the venue charges for parking, the tournament directors don't see a penny of it.
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: : : : : From a coach who runs tournaments.
: : : : : From last year:
: : : : : official fees cost- $75/game
: : : : : 4/games=$300
: : : : : T-shirts @ low end cost
: : : : : $5/shirt- 15/shirts/team
: : : : : $75
: : : : : Trophies or Plaque, depend on what kind you get
: : : : : $60 will get you a Champion and Runner-up.
: : : : : So:
: : : : : 4-games $300 @ $75/game
: : : : : T-shirts @ $75/team
: : : : : Awards @ $60
: : : : : =$435, I would round it up to $450/per team.
: : : : : But I also don't pay for table, security or janitorial.

: : : : : $500 is not that bad.

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: : : : It is if every game is a blowout. Again, my problem isn't with the $$ it's what do you get for the money.

: : : : I want good games. Post the level of teams who are playing/played last year/usually play.

: : : I think every club team that runs tournaments should update here on who's in their tournament just like burroughs league does so we don't have to pay those crazy fees to play bad teams, i don't want to go and play gold div.and win by 40+, that's why I stopped going to san fernando valley, cal storm,sgv,west coast premiere,and cal sparks are some clubs that runs good tournament.

: : LOL!! Post the teams that are playing in the tournament. That always makes me laugh. If you have to ask who is coming to the tournament then it normally means that no one good plays at that tournament. Do you have to ask who is playing at Palisades or Redondo? Nope, you assume that some of the top teams will be there playing. As for this tournament it is Podunk.

: : The championship game last year was El Camino Real versus Thousand Oaks. Now before you jump all over me and say how could you call this tournament Podunk well look at the scores El Camino was winning by; 70, 22, 31 and 25. Thousand Oaks on their way to the finals won by 36, 32 and 6 over Culver City before their beat down in the finals.

: : Here are were the other teams that participated: Executive Prep Academy of Finance, View Park Prep, Middle College, Santa Monica, LA University, Beverly Hills, Crenshaw, St. Bernard; Bell-Jeff played in 2 games and that was it also the host schools Culver City and St. Mary's Academy.

: : The best part is everyone detailing the cost of everything. That's why you have kids and parents volunteering at these tournaments. Have the kids and the parents clean the stands. Hell, the coaches can clean the toilets. There you go, saving money right there. As for the referees that where you get your friends to do the games and save a bit of money. Also most referees do two games so right there you are saving money. Everyone knows that tournaments are a money grab. That's why the schools host them to help offset costs that come with running a basketball tournament.

: : If you think the fee is too high to go to this tournament then don't go. If you think the price is right then have fun playing in the tournament, plain and simple.

: For those talking about refs getting less than $70ish per game, that is against the rules. CIF events, like Winter Tournaments, are supposed to use CIF certified refs and they get paid a set amount. If a tournament director is bringing in his own crew and paying them less, they are breaking the rules. I personally wouldn't go to a tournament where the tournament "saves everyone money" by getting their own officials.

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