Posted by Coach TT on March 23, 2017 at 13:31:32:
In Reply to: Re: Comparison: Club vs High School posted by Good Insight on March 23, 2017 at 09:36:00:
: : : This comes up every year so let's just do it now.
: : : Which is better/more important? Club or HS ball?
: : : Answer: both are important.
: : : Club tends to focus on individual development and exposure, while HS is more about the team and winning. Club balls feature better collection of players per team, but HS ball has better teams in general.
: : : I feel both are important.
: : : Frequently in HS ball, girls are forced to play out of position. This can be due to height, size, make up of team, how many of a certain position the HS team has.
: : : Good club teams are designed to have girls at every position so what ends up happening is girls can play their "natural" position. For example, a 3 instead of a 5, etc.
: : : However, club ball, even at the highest level is really just organized pick up. Sure there is a basic offense, maybe a couple of plays, but basically, it's run and gun. Press and trap on defense. But, this is where girls can really work on their individual skills.
: : : In HS ball, you are playing within the team more. You scheme to stop players. Learn team offenses and defenses. Yes, you can work on skills in practice, but you don't always get to use them in a game.
: : : So there are pros and cons of both. As much as college coaches want to know you can play within the framework of a team, very rarely are they coming to watch you play on some Tuesday night. But they all come to the viewing tourneys where they can see you play against the best comp.
: : : Let the hating (both ways) begin!
: : I think you make some good points in regards to both HS and Club ball.
: : Let me add a few things.
: : HS ball can be quite horrible, depending on the coach and program. Unfortunately, there are many high school coaches who don't really know what they're doing. They have these girls 4-5 days a week for months and yet there is no improvement, no adjustment, and the same tired old sets that don't work. Given the time, there should be more coming from HS. It's a tough job with parents, hardly any pay, administrators on you but if you choose to do the job, do it right.
: : Club is definitely more of a glorified pick up game. Even choosing teams for the "Elite" is like any pick up game. The guy/gal with next game tries to pick up who he/she knows can ball. Then they run out there and beat people.
: : The danger with relying on club is that you will very rarely see a club player play outstanding, fundamental, individual defence. They may get steals because they're long, athletic, anticipate well but they do not have defensive concepts as a base. I've spoken to college coaches who all agree that they have to teach new kids what it means to actually play defence. Watch Izzo's teams at MSU always improve as the year goes along and the young ones start to understand D better.
: : But scouting is rarely about D, and everyone wants to be a star with 20+ points in EYBL etc.
: : In regards to "Exposure", be cautioned. Exposure can also be quite negative. Don't go seeking it unless you know you have the skill set and venue to show them. I've scouted players with other colleges also in attendance, all watching the same player only to walk away wondering what we were doing there.
: : Players will always play both. Take it upon yourselves to maximize what you get out of each. Don't rely on your HS coach, or your club coach, to really work on your weaknesses. If they do, then you're very fortunate, but always look at yourself first in the mirror and grow your game. And stay humble and hungry. I can't stand meeting recruits who think they deserve this that and the other thing. Come and earn what you deserve.
: Thank you for the honest input.
: One thing I see as a flaw on the recruiting side from the coaches is alluded to in your post.
: How many times have you heard a coach asked about a player and the first thing they say is "How many points do they score?".
: You cannot win on any level with only players who score a bunch of points. There is only one ball; there is only so much "glory".
: Good teams are made up of scorers, defenders, rebounders, hustlers. Players who will guard bigger, stronger players. Players who will dive for 50/50 balls. Players who close off passing lanes and deflect balls to allow others to get a steal. High IQ players who know how to play and where to be and tell their teammates the same.
: But everyone is in love with the big scorer, regardless of their attitude or other game attributes. How many times do you see a big scorer start pouting or go into a shell when they can't make a shot? Or can't get a shot off? Or worse don't get the ball?
: There is a big difference between being able to score, and having the need to score.
I would agree that be careful when evaluating "scorers". I have seen many, many,many, many players who put up eye popping statistics. Then I go watch and realise that their competition is essentially rec league level. The ability to score is huge, but it has to be able to translate. Do they have the IQ, quickness, shot form, aggressiveness that will make them successful at whatever level they aspire to. Ideally, you want players who have the tangibles but also the intangibles like you mentioned. Hustle, 50/50 balls, rebounds their position, unselfish.
I don't pay much mind to points scored anymore. Meaning that stats might get you a look, but your all around game is what will seal the deal.
Coming from a D2 and prior D1 background, I would say in D2 we tend to try to find those players who show the intangibles and have the ability to learn. Let the 30 point scorers go D1 and then learn that they aren't as athletic or fast anymore when compared to the rest.
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