Re: CIF new divisional placements are a failure.

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Posted by Common Sense on March 21, 2017 at 21:13:08:

In Reply to: Re: CIF new divisional placements are a failure. posted by Etiwanda on March 21, 2017 at 17:48:39:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : After reading a number of post with numerous complaints, i have to agree with many of them regarding division placements. This was a fairly large fail from my standpoint. If the intention was to make the divisions equitable it was a huge failure. Here are my observations.
: : : : : : : : : : : : : #1. Private schools that have many club players and scholarship recruited athletes on their rosters were allowed to play in divisions with teams that have rosters from local feeder schools. How is that equitable.(like trinity league schools) #2. Schools that have huge enrollments and decades of good basketball history were placed in very low division ( Thousand Oaks in division III???). #3. Schools that have local rosters ( like Ventura) are forced to play in open division against teams that can recruit players and give them financial aid to attend their institutions. ( nothing wrong with that. however it gives those schools a huge advantage) The index they use is terrible. Flaws are inherent in CIF philosophy. For example, graduation, JV record is not taken into consideration. Simple answer to this problem. Announce the divisions near the end of season. Let the high powered private schools play each other. They should not play publics just because they are not as good at recruiting players as other privates. ( tough stance) The big problem according to this site is that really good teams have to watch other teams experience the joy of winning a championship when they know that they are superior. I totally get that frustration. I really believe in regional championships. Not many agree with me on that. But i would like to see regional Championships first, then let the regions play against each other.I think that many would enjoy seeing teams from their region compete against teams that are similar to them. Then they would have to compete against teams that may not be similar. Divide the regions into divisions and then fight it out in playoffs. Just 4 divisions based on competitiveness and size...make divisions near end of season.. base it on wins vs quality opponents, not losses against quality opponents ( How DUMB is that)... Get on it SCIBCA. ( i am a member) What do you think???

: : : : : : : : : : : : Facts are a mediocre team like Los Osos gets assigned to Division 3, then gets a major college transfer, then wipes out all the weak teams in Division 3. That's not fair.

: : : : : : : : : : : : Osos is on the rise. The only good teams in the baseline league now will be Osos and Etiwanda.

: : : : : : : : : : oh please they lost to Etiwanda by 24 points not once but twice. That's a blow out. There's only one real team in the Baseline League and that's Etiwanda. Now go play for your tiny ball trophy Los Osos.

: : : : : : : : : : Osos was winning that second game but fell apart in the 4th. Etiwanda graduates a ton this year, Osos doesn't. We'll see next season. The rest of the baseline teams are just sorry now.

: : : : : : : : Los Osos and the rest of the Baseline league have been saying that for years. Etiwanda always finishes on top with no close games.

: : : : : : : :Yup, Eti rules in Baseline then choke in big games when they matter most,lol

: : : : : : Etiwanda plays against the Best, the big girls in the top division where their kids get scholarships. Los Osos plays in the little girls baby division the only place they can win and their players get no scholarships.

: : : : : : Make sure you stay hydrated and keep plenty of water on hand for all of those choke jobs..

: : : : ::: Love how you baseline fags took a post about divisions and turned into all about your self.... no one gives a shit about the baseline leage

: : : : It's league genius, dang you dumb

: : This has to be children on here speaking. Spelling and grammar is horrible. Not to mention the poor choice of words show no class at all. It is okay to have an opinion but also remember it is children that you're speaking about.

: The only choke job was Los Osos who couldn't even stay in and make it a game losing to Etiwanda by 24 not once, but twice. Practice up so maybe you only lose by a dozen next year.

Back to the topic...

The only way to fix the competitive balance issue is to add in a current year component, and weight that they heaviest out of all. This would mean not announcing the playoff divisions until the week after everyone has finished league play. The extra week can be worked out by starting the season a week earlier. Most teams are playing in warm-up tournaments then, so it's not really an issue.

A current component would solve a lot of issues. Since Los Osos is the whipping post in this thread, lets use them. They were placed in a lower division this year because of racking up a 6-19 record last year and a 10-17 record the year before that. If you add in current year, it's hard to place them low with wins over 1AA playoff qualifiers Chino Hills and Oak Hills, 2AA playoff qualifiers Rowland, Bonita, Upland and Colony, and 2A playoff qualifier Ayala.

Despite winning CIF and getting to the state championship, they still won't rise too high next year...maybe 1A, considering they still have that 6-17 season factoring in. Isn't the new system great??

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