Re: .500 rule


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Posted by New Divisions on February 01, 2017 at 13:14:01:

In Reply to: Re: .500 rule posted by THe Reality on February 01, 2017 at 10:11:37:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : Looking at 3A there are only about 25 teams above .500. Is CIF really going to punish those teams that are in tough leagues and competed in tough pre-league games to prepare?

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : What a catch 22.......you schedule tougher non-league games to prepare for league but then get punished.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : If you schedule cream-puffs then you aren't really preparing your kids for battle.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : #5 Moorpark 11-13
: : : : : : : : : : : : : #7 Crossroads 9-13
: : : : : : : : : : : : : #10 Oxnard 10-12

: : : : : : : : : : : : : Most Likely will drop below .500

: : : : : : : : : : : : : #12 St. Marys 12-11
: : : : : : : : : : : : : #16 Simi 11-10

: : : : : : : : : : : : : Are these teams OUT ?

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : This rule is one of the most idiotic rules CIF has ever come with. What is the rationale behind it? Don't say avoiding the first round blowouts........those will happen anyway. Why wouldn't CIF want the extra $$$$ from a bigger bracket?

: : : : : : : : : : : : You need a .500 record to apply for an at-large bid. If your team is top half of league then they continue to be automatic qualifiers regardless of overall record. The .500 rule for at-large teams still stinks as many good teams/programs will be out due to pre-season and league scheduling.

: : : : : : : : : : : Top half of league is automatically qualified regardless.

: : : : : : : : : : : Moorpark and Simi Valley are currently 2nd and 3rd in their league and look like they will both make it.

: : : : : : : : : : : Oxnard is currently 3rd in their league and needs to beat Channel Islands again and they are in. (Beat them by 14 last time.)

: : : : : : : : : : : Crossroads has a solid chance of getting in. If they lose to Viewpoint on Thursday, they might not though.

: : : : : : : : : : : St. Mary's looks like they are not going to get top half of league, however, if they go 1-2 in their final games in league (same outcome as their first go around) then they will be bottom half with a 13-13 record. So it really depends on their last non-league game in the shootout at JSerra. Then again, if they lose to St Gens, that they are out.

: : : : : : : : : : : Despite hovering around .500, I would bet four or even all five make the playoffs.

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: : : : : : : : : : Crossroads and Viewpoint play in the Gold Coast league, home of Sierra Canyon and Windward.

: : : : : : : : : : Their league is strange as they have a tournament at the end of the year (like in college), which is how I believe they determine their league champion and automatic qualifiers.

: : : : : : : : St. Mary's is interesting because they are listed at 12-12 but one of those is a forfeit win at the beginning of the season. They have another win listed that day, so I am wondering if they are really 11-12. I hope they make it.

: : : : : : : : You can be under .500 if you place in your league.. some leagues have 2 qualifiers, some have 3 qualifiers and some have 4 qualifiers depending on the size of the league.

: : : : : : : : In the Crossroads, Viewpoint, Paraclete league, they will likely finish 3, 4, 5 (Crossroads, Paraclete, Viewpoint).. Not sure how their tournament works but I believe 3 plays 4 and 5 plays 6 (6 would be Brentwood), but I might be wrong (and Brentwood could get 5 if they beat Paraclete since I don't know their tiebreaking system).....2 of those 3 will get automatics.. if Viewpoint is the non-automatic, the will get in as an at-large due t an above .500 record. Crossroads and Paraclete need to get an auto or else they will not be above .500.

: : : : : : : : Moorpark is pretty safe as long as they don't lose everyone of their remaining league games.

: : : : : : : : Oxnard is fine -- they will finish 2nd or 3rd in their league and get a auto.

: : : : : : : : 3A rankings right now:

: : : : : : : : 1 Los Osos (In -- 2nd place)
: : : : : : : : 2 Flintridge Prep (In -- League Champion)
: : : : : : : : 3 Lancaster (In -- 2nd place)
: : : : : : : : 4 Viewpoint (In -- At-Large or place)
: : : : : : : : 5 Moorpark (In -- 2nd or 3rd place)
: : : : : : : : 6 LaSalle (In -- 2nd place or league Champ)
: : : : : : : : 7 Crossroads (In -- 3rd or 4th place)
: : : : : : : : 8 Rancho Verde (In -- At-Large and scary)
: : : : : : : : 9 Irvine (In -- 3rd place)
: : : : : : : : 10 Oxnard (In -- 3rd place)
: : : : : : : : 11 Beaumont (In -- 3rd place or At-Large)
: : : : : : : : 12 St. Mary's Academy (Maybe -- At-Large)
: : : : : : : : 13 Shadow Hills (In -- League Champion)
: : : : : : : : 14 Louisville (In - At-Large)
: : : : : : : : 15 Granite Hills (In 3rd Place and best player)
: : : : : : : : 16 Simi Valley (In - 3rd place or at-large)

: : : : : : : : Others (no particular order):
: : : : : : : : 17 Savanna (In - League Champion)
: : : : : : : : 18 Montebello (In -- 2nd place)
: : : : : : : : 19 Marina (In -- place in league)
: : : : : : : : 20 Villa Park (In -- place in league)
: : : : : : : : 21 Perris (In -- place in league or at-large)
: : : : : : : : 22 SLO (In -- at-large, must win 1 more)
: : : : : : : : 23 Bellflower (In -- League Place)
: : : : : : : : 24 Hemet (In -- league place or at-large)
: : : : : : : : 25 Temple City (In -- league place)
: : : : : : : : 26 Sierra Vista (In -- league place)
: : : : : : : : 27 Katella (In -- League place)
: : : : : : : : 28 Chaffey (In -- league place or at large)

: : : : : : : : Potentials:
: : : : : : : : 29 Paraclete (league place or at-large)
: : : : : : : : 30 La Sierra (league place)
: : : : : : : : 31 Don Lugo (league place)
: : : : : : : : 32 Wilson (league place despite 3-20 record)

: : : : : : : : Long Shots:
: : : : : : : : 33 Price (currently 8-11 must win out)
: : : : : : : : 34 Bell Gardens (10-10 but last 4 are tough)
: : : : : : : : 35 Citrus Valley (maybe 4th in league but lost tonight to drop to 5th)

: : : : : : : : The other 23 teams are pretty much out.. a couple decent teams in tough leagues...

: : : : : : : : So my best guess is 28 are pretty much locked (with a couple of those having to win a game or two, but should) Of the 4 potentials, pretty sure at least 1-2 make it and maybe all 4... If all 4 potentials make it or 1 of the longshots pulls through, we could have 32 in the bracket, but I will settle on 30.
: : : : : : : Open to advice from fellow coaches. I coach a team who is in a very tough league and all the teams are in higher divisions. I purposely scheduled a rough pre season because I was unaware of the new rule. My fault. Because of our league standings we will never make playoffs but I stand by my values of playing hard teams in pre season. So I guess next year I need to schedule a marshmallow pre season? Sounds like we are going back to the 10 game rule. We have yet to play anyone in our division. All teams have been above. Open to advice? I like to ply a tough pre season schedule. Now I see some teams are going to get in because they played very easy pre seasons? Thoughts...thanks all

: : : : : : : The rule is fine the way it is, if you can't crack.500 then you have no business playing in CIF championship pool. Tough pre-season schedule? That's on you, no one put a gun on your head to sign up to those events. Move on and be wise next season. Cry babies, smh

: : : : : This coach is clearly not a "cry baby" as you put it. They said they were unaware of the rule and it is their own fault.

: : : : : They were looking for advice as to how to balance playing good teams to get better vs. playing easy teams just to make the playoffs since they are in a hard league.

: : : : : Lighten up.

: : : : :Ignorance of rules is no excuse. Move on....

: : : : I might be wrong, but I believe CIF changed qualifications for playoffs after most teams had done their scheduling. If teams had known of the new qualifications, schedules would have looked very different for many teams.

: : Ignorance of the rules is not in play here. This rule was set up after most if not all schedules were complete. CIF really dropped the ball on this one.

: : The CIF did drop the ball on this one. Teams are being rewarded for playing a soft schedule. Even worse.. I have already talked to a couple of coaches who are talking about tanking two seasons in a row so they can move down into a division that they can win with their younger players in three years. That is negating the whole purpose of the competitive equity concept. The CIF needs to redo this entire system. First of all, don't rank anyone in the beginning of the season based off of previous seasons. Don't come out with the division placements and rankings until a week or so before the end of the season. Rank teams based off of their wins, strength of schedule, and by then, you will know who has transfers, freshman studs, or who is just better than the year before. Use SCIBCA coaches to help with the rankings...do it on a Sunday down at the CIF office...the SCIBCA coaches can give them all of the info on the different teams. And force teams to publish their scores on Maxpreps to use their rankings as sort of a basis. No one will know who is in their division until the last week...makes it a little hard to scout..but so what. We all go in blind to the playoffs and there will be much more equity...and we lose this .500 record crap for at large teams to encourage teams to play harder schedules.

CIFSS actually did a great job in this division, they choose 58 teams for the division that are similar in level and about 30-32 will qualify under the "new rule" (.500 or better for an a-large bid + automatic qualifiers). If you want it any other way you need to allow all 58 teams in.



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