Posted by Concerned Citizen on November 30, 2018 at 15:49:41:
In Reply to: Re: Importance of JV/ FS posted by My 2 Cents on November 30, 2018 at 10:49:05:
: : : : : Are these levels ever looked at by other coaches?
: : : : : Do ya’ll think there is any true importance to these levels?
: : : : : What about coaches?
: : : : : Seen some pretty outstanding JV coaches and some very poor JV coaches. Is it common that JV coaches get opportunities to have be a Var head?
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: : : : The importance of these teams varies school by school and coach by coach.
: : : : Many schools no longer have F/S teams due to either budget restrictions or lack of player participation.
: : : : It's hard to find quality coaches at any level, but at the JV and especially F/S levels it is extra hard, given the low pay and other restrictions such as lack of gym time/having to practice outside, not enough players, etc.
: : : : My view on the lower level teams, especially F/S is that it should be developmental. At least half of every practice should be skill work. Who cares if they can run a play if they can't make a shot?
: : : : As you move to JV, while there should still be a heavy dose of skill work, you should be learning how to make plays, execute in the half court, how to play different types of defenses. While I want the JV to learn HOW to win, the focus should still be on preparing players for the varsity level. If you are up 20, you shouldn't be pressing and fast breaking, you should be working on solid defense and executing offensive plays and schemes.
: : : : At most schools, on the girls side, few players who aren't on varsity by their sophomore year ever are impact varsity players. I think that number might improve if there was more focus on skills and development than blowing people out game after game.
: : : saw a F/S game where a power school won by 30 playing 6-7 players out of 16 on the roster and pressing the entire game. Wouldn't want my kid to play for that coach/program regardless of her playing time.
: : And this is what I am talking about. What's the point of playing that way at F/S level? Zero development going on there. I would much rather win by 10 and have everyone get some court time working on good solid defense and running our offense. I'm not saying everyone needs to play every game - not at all - but at F/S level in a blowout? Absolutely (unless kids are missing practice, etc.).
: Are these levels ever looked at by other coaches?
: Of course they are, everyone always starts somewhere. Just like players, you never know who is in the gym watching/evaluating/opinionated/etc.
: Do ya’ll think there is any true importance to these levels?
: If you are building or have a "program". Absolutely F/S & JV are important to the success of the entire program. I'm going to guess about 30-50% of the stronger programs have quality F/S & JV teams. While another 20-30% have quality JV teams. The remaining is just all about varsity and lower levels are just "school requirement" and the HC of varsity cares very little about the lower levels. See the recent Mark Keppel Tourney results, the JV & F/S Touney pretty much the same schools are winning games at the lower levels just like their varsity. To contradict an earlier responder who said wouldn't want my kid to play for a F/S team that pressed the whole game and won by 30 and only played the top 1/2 of the roster & another responder saying what's the point of playing the Full Court press style, if he were in charge, he rather win by 10 and have all players play. If you are building a program that does Full Court press at the varsity level, you need to have the lower levels do the same, so those players need to learn the style as soon as possible. And even at the lower levels it's no longer Parks & Rec, you have to earn your minutes on the court. Now, I would say if your team is up 30, then every player should see the court even if it's just for 2-3minutes in mop up duty.
: What about coaches? Seen some pretty outstanding JV coaches and some very poor JV coaches. Is it common that JV coaches get opportunities to have be a Var head?
: Just like any career, resume, recommendations, connections all play a part. I would say Varsity Assistants and lower level Coaches both have as much chance to get a varsity HC that they go after.
: Question back: The pretty outstanding and the very poor Coaches you've seen. What stood out to you that made you put each in that category?
: The various levels of play offered in schools:
1. help to narrow down which players take the game serious enough to bring up to the next level.
2. Help others who are on the bubble" to get plenty of game minutes on the court, as opposed to on the bench a whole season watching one year. They could have improved tremendously if they were on the court more @ one lever lower that year, and then a bigger asset for that higher level team the following year.
3. gives time to help learn the system and develop them into smarter and more experienced players. The more games OFF THE BENCH & ON THE COURT played, the better for any player to get better.
4. have many more benefits, as long as kids are trying out.
***Now, which coaches get hired to do the development on the lower levels... well, that's typically the head varsity coach's decision. He or she needs to pick the right people to help strengthen that program, which doesn't happen often. It still all trickles down from the top. But it does make a difference for the better, as long as the right people are in place... same as anything else in life.
Same as trainers... does everyone pick the right trainers to train their kids??? We all have to pick the right people for things to improve. But with the right people in place, everything makes sense and pays off.
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