Posted by Yes and No on August 28, 2018 at 08:16:48:
In Reply to: Re: Don't get fooled about club viewing for the fall- Important message posted by Occasional Genius on August 27, 2018 at 12:33:49:
: : : : : : : : : Players should not be doing club this fall. D1 are not allowed to view HS players in club tournaments. Not at all. They can go to any HS practice or any HS Fall league as long as there all the players are from the same HS. Do your daughter a favor and stay away from the clubs this fall and make sure your HS coach has them in a top quality fall league that will be inviting the college coaches out in advance so they can get their compliance officers to approve. Any clubs who are still trying to work out and do things are doing so keeping your daughter away from where they are allowed to be seen. The club directors are claiming D2 and D3 and NAIA events at end of the month but those coaches can go to any fall league all the time. What they are doing is running an event that no D1 coaches can go to. ANY HS fall league can take all the D2 and D3 and NAIA ALONG WITH D1. By signing up you are restricting your player. Stay way this fall.
: : : : : : : : How about Fall leagues that have club teams and high school teams playing in them? Is that OK? It is mainly high school teams.
: : : : : : : D1 coaches will have to leave the gym when club teams are playing. They can come back when they are done. Hopefully the good leagues will put club teams against club teams and not have them play HS teams.
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: : : : : : Players still participating in club team activities should only be doing it for skills training.
: : : : : : OP is correct, playing in tournaments or games has no benefit, but can result in injury.
: : : : : : Talk to your high school coach and get in good leagues/tourneys/showcases and have the coach try to get some games against "name" teams - Windward, Sierra Canyon, Mater Dei, Etiwanda, Chaminade, Harvard Westlake, etc. And if you can't get games against them, you want to play before or after them to try and get some residual viewing time. LOL
: : : : : : There should be coaches at games involving name schools with players getting recruited.
: : : : : : Just don't expect them at some random mid-week fall league game against a weaker opponent.
: : : : : Any club that is doing anything has no regard for an athlete, their HS program or whats best for them. Leave the skills to their HS coaches which. most are starting practice now. No reason to risk injury when coaches can only watch them with their HS teams anyway. Club coaches just want the buck now. Stay away. Parents help your kids get ready for season working with their team. If you want to help, put pressure on your HS coach to be in a good fall league.
: : : : This is mostly terrible advice.
: : : : First, not all high schools can afford fall leagues, and some coaches flat out have no interest in participating in good fall leagues. Most coaches will put their team in a fall league that their overall team is best suited for, not in a league where their team is going to get killed every game. For a player who is good enough to play D2 but hasn't gotten a look yet, a low to mid level fall league is not going to help and won't draw a high level HS team that will have coaches watching.
: : : : Second, D2, D3, and NAIA schools have a limited amount of coaches and very limited recruiting budgets. While all of those levels may be able to go to a HS practice, every level below D1 doesn't have the resources to see a large amount of recruits. Additionally, a D2, D3, or NAIA coach isn't going to waste their time hitting up individual gyms unless they're after a certain player that they've already seen. Like D1 coaches, they want to evaluate as much talent as they can, and don't want to risk wasting time watching kids they know they can't get or kids who aren't good enough to play for them.
: : : : Most club coaches will only let kids play if their HS team isn't playing in a fall league. If you as a parent are trying to get your kid to play in both, you're crazy. If you're club coach is trying to get you to do both, they're crazy. If playing for a club is the only way for your kid to get some good court time in against quality competition in front of college coaches, go for it.
: : : Bottom line at fall leagues with a large selection of teams you will find NOT ONLY D1 coaches but D2, D3, NAIA, JC. They will all be in the same gym. A play where there are games all day in one gym or multiple gyms WITH HS TEAMS. Fall leagues like Centennial, Millikan, Burroughs, with quality range of teams and a good selection of games every week will be packed with coaches of all levels. That is the place to be this fall. No other.
: : The key will be HS coaches and fall league directors having good connections with collegiate coaches all levels. I cant speak for the others but I know Vicky at Burroughs will be sending out schedules to coaches from all levels each week. Im sure the others will as well.
: Don't worry about the posts above, they are mostly terrible advice. What happened to playing for the fun of playing? Playing to stay in game shape? There are lots of reasons to play club ball year round as long as it doesn't conflict with your high school program, and even then club ball should take precedence in spring and summer. High school ball is slow paced and boring compared to club. Don't worry about what colleges will be where. Most kids that are destined to play in college aren't getting scholarships because a college saw them playing fall ball. Your daughter is more likely to be hurt playing against clumsy high school players than she is against highly skilled club kids. Play club whenever you can, as long as you can. High school ball is just a diversion for 4-6 months out of the year until the real season starts in April. OG
In the new recruiting world, fall leagues actually take on new importance.
And even if a kid has looks from spring/summer - at any level - coaches want to see them in a team environment. And by that I mean the players and coaches they are with basically year-round.
Yes, it's probably a slower paced game - and that is because teams actually run offense and scheme on defense to shut down players and teams. Maybe even the player the coach is there to see. So they will get to see how they handle that.
Bottom line, the recruiting world as we all knew it is over. Even next spring/summer will be different. You pick the wrong team or are in the wrong tournament and you many not even get seen at all.
One thing a good club program could do right now is have some recruiting seminars for their players and parents and get them (and maybe themselves) educated in the new world. And find out the goals of their players and make sure they are on the right path level wise, academically, and what schools they like. Then help the players by contacting those coaches for them.
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