Posted by Tough Balance on April 19, 2018 at 08:25:18:
In Reply to: Re: CA EYBL Top Teams at Boo Williams...Good discussion posted by Coach on April 19, 2018 at 07:33:09:
: : : : : : : : : : : : Any predictions on who will be the top performing EYBL CA team at BOO WILLIAMS this weekend?
: : : : : : : : : : : 1. Cal Stars
: : : : : : : : : : : 2. WCP
: : : : : : : : : : : 3. Cal Sparks
: : : : : : : : : : : 4. Taurasi
: : : : : : : : : : : 5. Swish
: : : : : : : : : : : And of those, the only ones to make any noise will be Cal Stars and WCP.
: : : : : : : : : : In the last couple of years, swish has struggled.
: : : : : : : : : Swish has struggled, no doubt. Will be interesting to see how they do since they have not played yet this season and BOO is a tough tournament to start your season in. Still think theyre should be three teams down here instead of 4 due to lack of talent. Cal Stars gets the best of what the bay area has to offer.
: : : : : : : : There only should be 2 EYBL teams in So Cal to go along with Cal Stars up North.
: : : : : : : : And I would go with WCP and Swish based on the coaching.
: : : : : : : : Quintero can coach, but he seems more interested in the Storm empire. Davis is a great coach; with only two teams he could do damage with top level talent.
: : : : : : : : And then I would give one EYBL team to Nevada (Las Vegas) and one to Arizona.
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: : : : : : : Based on as of late results, if two teams were going to be cut from California, Swish and Cal Sparks would be in trouble. Storm has a EYBL championship and WCP is 2 years removed from a great EYBL campaign.
: : : : : : : Having a Nike team in Nevada or Arizona would be pointless. Per the NCAA rules, a travel team can have up to 3 players from geographically adjoining states. Giving those states an EYBL team would just mean that you would now have the NV and AZ teams coming to Cali to recruit because they don't have enough high end talent. Also, thinning out the 5 Nike teams to 3 still wouldn't solve anything. There are also 5 Adidas sponsored teams in the state (EBO, GBL, Peninsula Elite, JBS, & Fresno Lady Heat) that reduce the available talent as well.
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: : : : : : Respectfully disagree for the point of fun discussion.
: : : : : : I agree Swish has been down. But I would argue that is due to them not recruiting the girls like the others do. Should they? Maybe. But Davis is an amazing coach, and if he had the talent, they would be competitive every year. Eliminating teams would basically force the talent there.
: : : : : : I like the Cal Sparks guy, but don't they put good teams together or develop that many players. They are always athletic, but don't function well in half-court games, which many EYBL games turn into (much like NBA playoffs). As for Storm, since that team that won - with Higgins, Odom, etc. - they have not been competitive. So many people are down on Storm in general that they are not getting the top players. For both Sparks and Storm, you can argue they are a year away from competing (Sparks 16U is loaded, Taurasi is mainly sophomores).
: : : : : : As for Nevada and Arizona - have you seen Arizona Select and the Las Vegas Bulldogs? They both sent several kids D1 last year. In the case of AZ Select, they sent Bickle to Baylor and Chavez to Oregon. No need to come to California for kids when there seems to be plenty of talent there.
: : : : : : And the Adidas teams? I am not saying they are not good, but given a choice, people will pick Nike teams every day of the week. No one talks about the "Adidas Gauntlet", they only talk of the EYBL. I don't even think Adidas as a company has anyone overseeing it and I don't think they provide a lot of financial support. I didn't even know some of the teams you mentioned were part of the Gauntlet.
: : : : : : And in a semi-unrelated issue, depending on what happens with the FBI investigation on the men's game and corruption, there probably won't even be an EYBL or anything involving a shoe company in a couple of years.
: : : : : Good points. Russ at Swish and Brian at WCP are the best coaches on the HS club scene right now and which one you prefer probably depends on what style of basketball you like. Storm seems to be run more like a business the last few years and Sparks as you said is athletic but lacks skills and can't play the half court game.
: : : : : I also agree about Adidas - no one chooses Adidas over Nike if they have the choice. No disrespect meant to those teams but that's a fact. If someone chooses to play for one of those teams then it's a choice that's made for financial reasons, or convenience, or keeping a girl with her friends or a coach she knows.
: : : : : I doubt the EYBL will cease to exist. There's just too much demand for it or something similar. Worst case is a slap on the wrist and increased oversight for the league, although specific perpetrators might see prison time and of course all those problems are mostly on the boys side.
: : : : : Also I have to disagree about the talent in AZ or NV. There are several top kids from AZ and NV who are playing for CA Nike teams and this will continue to be the case in the future. AZ Select specifically recruits heavily from CA. There are persistent rumors that Ben is unhappy with the kids coming up aside from a few that he currently has in the pipeline and he's thinking about making the jump to CA. It's not a coincidence that a Cali Select team has already been started. And this year's AZ Select 17U team is awful - look at the results from last weekend's WCP kickoff if you haven't already. Last year's AZ Select standout player Demetre who made All-CIF Open Division as a Freshman playing at Mater Dei left Select to go to Stars. And LV Bulldogs is similar to San Diego Waves or San Jose Cagers where they are tied to a local high school program.
: : : : : As far as specific performance at Boo Williams you have to differentiate between 17U and 16U. My guess is it ends up something like this:
: : : : : 17U CA teams:
: : : : : 1. Stars
: : : : : 2. WCP
: : : : : 3. Storm
: : : : : 4. Sparks
: : : : : 5. Swish
: : : : : 16U CA teams:
: : : : : 1. Stars
: : : : : 2. WCP
: : : : : 3. Swish
: : : : : 4. Sparks
: : : : : 5. Storm
: : : : : 16U is interesting for a few reasons. First, Storm is awful this year by all accounts. That says a lot about where that club is going. Second, Swish is fielding a 16U team for the first time ever and Russ is said to be very pleased with some of his youngsters. A good run for this squad could change the local EYBL landscape since the last couple years have already seen players leave the two closest EYBL clubs Sparks and WCP for Swish. Third surprise is that WCP looks good despite moving up almost the entire 16U team from last year with the exception of Williams who went to Swish and Buggs who went to AZ Select.
: : : : At what point do you allow parents ego to die? A lot of these girls risking injury to play travel ball. A good number of these young ladies already have college teams clamoring to them. So why risk your child playing and injuring herself and possibly loosing any schools interested? Injuries are a big part of the recruiting process as well. It would be better for players like an Osborne to sit out and train and rest her body for her high school upcoming season. Sometimes something free comes with a cost. A wise parent with a child that is already garnering colleges interest, should kill the ego and put that wisdom hat on for the safety of their child. Everyone knows there is zero development in travel ball. The benefit is the form to play competitive games. If your child is playing on Div 1 or open league then they are playing competitive games. Then people wonder why girls get injured so much in girls basketball? When do these ladies bodies rest? Off season is off season for a reason.
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: : : 1. EYBL future. Nike makes no money off EYBL. None. In fact, due to the fact of how many "shoe superstars" there truly are, they don't need to invest one cent in high school ball. They pour a lot of money in this stuff every year and yet how many players actually move shoes when the get to the NBA? You don't need to "woo" them in high school. The idea that the EYBL and similar circuits could go away is not out of the realm of possibility. Especially if the scandal keeps getting bigger.
: : : 2. I don't know the specifics of the programs mentioned above. But I find it hard to believe that there are not 10 stud players in AZ or Nevada if they all played on one team and didn't drift to CA or another state. Also, if there were less CA teams, there would be less spots to recruit from other states available. And I guess the one team mentioned in NV is a high school program? An EYBL team wouldn't have to be that team discussed. I think it was just an example of the talent available in the state. And if they are from only one or two schools, there are probably even more from other schools that would make an EYBL team even stronger.
: : : 3. Not playing if you have a ton of interest. I see the pros and cons of this. On one hand, if you have an offer from the school you really want to go to, then yeah. Don't play. Train and get stronger. Maybe play a couple times in July. I think Valerie Higgins did that her last summer and then played Cal Stars in July.
: : : But if you have interest and/or offers, but not from the school(s) you are interested in, then you probably need to play.
: : : So I guess this is something that there is no right or wrong answer, but and individual choice on a case by case basis.
: : : Good luck to everyone this weekend - EYBL, other shoe teams, and those in other tourneys.
: : :: My girl would've rested her body more...but she wanted to play. Couldn't keep her off the court. Had D1 offers in hand. But the cost to her body was great. Still dealing with it.
: : Back in the day - kids didn't specialize in one sport only. Played different sports. Worked different muscle groups. Also the level of competition is so great. By the time one of these kids get to college, they've racked up almost a decade (or more?) of competition - year 'round.
: Good discussion, different opinions, interesting reading and not criticizing the players. Good.
And what about the seniors? Trying to balance working their butts off to be ready for college ball but at the same time not wearing themselves down so much that by the time they get there they are too beat up.
And there is no manual on this. Talk to five different coaches and trainers, get five different answers.
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