Re: Just don't get it!


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Posted by LOL on March 20, 2018 at 18:08:38:

In Reply to: Re: Just don't get it! posted by Gotcha on March 20, 2018 at 17:22:13:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Who were the best Frosh, Soph, Jr, and Senior in Socal regardless of Division?

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : You first Dad, sounds like your daughter plays below D1, lol

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : So how does a player below D1 getting recognition impact your daughter? There are a plethora of players that decided go to schools that are D2 or lower that are great players and play on excellent club teams. If your daughter is that good you wouldn't feel the need to belittle other players because they don't play on those stacked recruited teams.

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : They are recruited because they are the best.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Wow I didn't know that. Only the best are recruited. Guess I need to have my daughter change schools now because those letters from those D1 and D2 schools accidently went to her when they should have gone to your daughter at that D1 private school. Damn it I knew my daughter wasn't good!

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Level of competition at Open and Div 1 isn't the same as lower divisions. Otherwise there will be just one division (-:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Just like games over the weekend where Open and Division 1 played at The Pyramid while the lower divisions played at home school sites. Why do you think that is?

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :: It's hard for parents whose daughter shine at Park N Rec league level competitions that it's not Open or D1 level competitions. They somehow convinced themselves that their daughter is at the same level as Osborne, lol

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : How does every thread on this board just turn into hate?

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : All the OP asked was who people thought were the top players in each division. Whatever his/her motivation, it is a simple question.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Many people know the top players in Open/D1, but beyond that, the names might not be familiar.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Seems like it was all about celebrating some good performances.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : I can tell you from experience that I think it is better to be a superstar in D2 or D3 than the 4th option on an open division team. After all, if you are good enough, you will play on a good club team and get amazing competition over the summer. My daughter was a star in a lower division, which got her noticed and on a top club team, which netted her multiple offers. If she would have gone to an open school, she likely would have been the 4th or 5th option (or worse) and not had a chance to prove herself. Every kid has their own path and there are no "right" ones. Work hard, be coachable, and hope for a chance to showcase yourself and maybe even a little luck.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Glad it worked out for you and your daughter playing at low level. But the fact remains, lower level means lower competition. Coaches and scouts know this. You are basically training and competing against lower level players, not the ones everyone wants to recruit who are playing at D1 and Open.
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Think about your growth potential if you are training and competing against the best out there. You play at low level then you will get noticed, if you are fortunate, that you are shining against lower tier competition. If you are cool with that then more power to you.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : The above poster has the right formula for getting noticed, player health and longevity and an overall enjoyable basketball experience.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 1) Play at a HS where you will be the #1 or #2 option regardless of Division. Be a 4 YEAR Varsity starter. Put up good #'s / create a stat resume and have a fun.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : 2) Play for a CLUB that does exposure tournaments and teaches you the GAME!!!!! (not the traditional chuck 3's / play hand check bump man to man full court / and just lower your head and drive to the basket out of control basketball).
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : A good CLUB team that is reasonable and faces good competition at exposure tournaments is key. Don't get suckered into PAYING for the other players as they get the TIME and the free ride.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Grinding it out in the OPEN and then turning around 1-2 months later and grinding it out in the club circuit isn't helping your body. Most likely ACL injury and burnout.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Like the man said - many paths to the ultimate goal. Get off your HIGH HORSE in regards to OPEN / DIV 1 is the only thing that matters.

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : The world is your oyster! Feast!

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Sounds like a Coach from lower level division, lol. Trying to preach that a low level competitions is the way to go, bwahahahaha. Sorry, you are not fooling anyone (-:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Go look at the rosters for the top EYBL teams. Each is about equally split between D1/open plywrs and the lower divisions. Having great numbers in D2 or D3 and occasionally D4 is a great way to get onto a top club team and hence have maximum exposure. Colleges scout clubs way more than they scout high schools, thatís a fact. I totally agree with the past poster. Go where you can be a top two option. And get good grades.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : I've never heard a college coach say they wouldn't recruit a kid because they played for a school that was lower than D1. Most college coaches watch kids play with their club team and they only check out stats from the high school team. Typical high school playoff games, even Open/D1 games, attract more JuCo coaches than D1 coaches. Every year there are more Open/D1 players who don't get a scholarship than Open/D1 players who do. If you're putting all your scholarship hopes on playing for an Open/D1 school you will be disappointed.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : It's OK to argue that the best high school teams play Open/D1. But to say that the best players all play Open/D1 is ignorant. Kids and parents pick schools for a lot of reasons.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Absolutely correct. Where you play high school ball barely matters. Where you play club ball is most important. That being said, of course open and D1 have better competition, though Redondo Union night our up an argument. Likely they would have won D1 CIF too.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :Name former D2 or D3 players that are playing in top major D1 colleges.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : That's a tough one huh?!? What about former D2 or D3 players that are playing in MID major D1 colleges.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : I will name you 10-15 players in the last 3 years who played d1 College ball that played in non D1 HS teams. Is that what you are asking. I hope your kidding right now. Once I name the list will you get on here and eat your words. Just let mw know before I do it. Or will you then change your words and say the majority. Just let me know.

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :Just 1 and all the way back in 2012 that made it to a D1 Mid major college??? (-;

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Let's make this clear for the ones that are kinda slow.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Name a player more recent graduate like in the past 3 years that played HS ball below D1/Open that is currently playing in Top or Mid Major D1 college.
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : From CIF Southern Section below D1.

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : That's close to 600 schools! There's got to be atleast 1 that graduated in the past 3 years from a D2, D3... That is now playing ball in Top-Mid Major college right. Because like you said, it doesn't matter where you play you will be recruited by top D1 schools. Well, c'mon genius. NAME 1 player

: : : : : : : : : : : : : Can you not read the above? Madeleine Dopplick played D5 and plays for Seattle U which just made the tournament. Channion Fluker is tearing it up at CSUN and played D4/D3. Tal Sahar played D3 at Calabassas and is at UCSB. Lindsey Scamman played D3/D2 and is Air Force top recruit this year. Becky O. From Rosary - they were D4 when she got there, D3 last year. Big girl From Murrieta Valley has been between D4 and D2 whole career and is going to UCSB next year. PG from Lasalle graduating this year is going D1.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : There are 7 players off the top off my head.

: : : : : : : : : : : : And multiple of those girls played in the NCAA tournament this year, so don't be trying to say those schools don't count. And there are many more not included, some that wanted to focus on academics and went Ivy and others not bothering to name. You are just plain wrong and all the data backs that up. Any good girl can get anywhere from any division if they are good enough.

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: : : : : : : : : : : :Are those Top-Mid level colleges? Also, some of those HS mentioned are D1. Good try (-:

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: : : : : : : : : : Definition of Mid Major D1 colleges.

: : : : : : : : : : "Mid-major is a term used in American NCAA Division I college sports to refer to athletic conferences that are not among the so-called "Power Five conferences" (the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12, and SEC), the Big East, the American, the Atlantic 10, and the Mountain West. These conferences are sometimes referred to as "high majors" by comparison."

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: : : : : : : : : The bottom line here is to be the best, you have to train and complete against the best. That applies to all sports.

: : : : : : : : : That is why Top Major Colleges for the most part recruit at D1 programs. Just look at the recent big names from CA ballin at Top Colleges; Kianna Smith, Destiny Littleton, Aubrey Knight, etc... Just like all things, 1 or 2 will come from lower divisions every now and then.

: : : : : : : : : But if you have game then it's a no brainer to train and compete against the best. Not to mention s lot of these Open schools offer top academic programs in the state. It's a win, win.

: : : : : : : : For the arguer up there, not a single one of those schools were D1 when the girls named above were there. NONE. And none are now other than Rosary. And Air Force fits squarely into the official definition of mid-major as it is in one of the listed conference. So there is your ONE. And Indint think anyone is calling 39 Palms D1. Lol.

: : : : : : : : As for the other reasonable posters directly above - you are correct. Of course, open is the best. However, the whole argument he posited was that you couldnít get to a great college from a non D1 school, which simply isnít the case....and notice that he hasnít named any girls that were third or fourth options at an open school going to a big time college. Thatís because it doesnít happen. Way better to go be a first option at a smaller school like all the girls above.

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: : : : : : : Canada, Simon, Jaco and Surloff. All played together at Windward, who's the 3rd and 4th options? Don't matter, they all play at Top and Mid Major D1. And that's just on top of my head. Admit it lower division coach, whoever the heck you are. You have to compete and train against the best to be the best. Now go back and continue training your park n rec team, lol. On your face buddy!

: : : : : : I got to say, you sure set yourself on that one. Just look at previous rosters of Mater Dei, Chaminade, Sierra Canyon and other D1 programs. You will find plenty of girls now playingplo at top colleges. These "recruiting" schools are deep and stacked.

: : : : : You might want to recheck your facts about Windward. One of the girls doesnít even play college ball anymore. And even if she did, are we now calling last place Ivy teams mid-majors?
: : : : : If so, you can expand that list of small school kids by dozens. Also, amusingly, those windward teams were D 4AA and beating up on tons of crappy teams in CIF. In 2011-2012, it was Windward and Serra, thatís it. BUT more importantly those girls didnít graduate together, so they all had their turns. Chaminade sent option 1 and option 1A to Duke and SC. Find me another school that sent more than two girls from the same graduating clas year to giant schools like that....you canít because it doesnít happen. How many graduating windward girls are going D1 this year?

: : : : : Take any great school, the 4th option senior wonít get to play at a big school. EVER. Sure, a girl who was #4 as a freshman and moved up to #1 by senior year does, but not the #4 who is a senior. She would have been better off being a star in D3 for three years and showing what she can do.

: : : : : Mater Dei has a ton of seniors this year. How many are going big time? Nevada ainít any bigger than Air Force or Seattle U.

: : : : : If you are good, you can play anywhere and get a great offer. That is the only point. You asked for ONE player, you got a dozen. No one ever said Open competition wasnít better. Of course it is. But once again, if you arenít gong to be a top two option at all during your four years, you are likely better off at a smaller school.

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: : : : ^^this poster has given legit examples over and over. Can the other poster just move on now...please

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: : : : ^^same person pretending to be someone else, lol. Pathetic

: : Nope. he wasn't me.

: : But he is right. As am I. And once again, of course these girls played together. They didn't graduate together. And I never said leave an open school for a small school, that's your call. The only point was you are better off as the top option at a small school than 4th option at an open.

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: : Small school, what happened to D2 or lower division school? So now it's 4th option, earlier it was 3rd option. You are just making things up as you move along. Pathetic, you lost your credibility, not that you had one, lol

: Anything you say from this point on is irrelevant, you've been exposed.

: Good luck with your, "play at lower level so you can look good.". No one is buying that.

As if, but I can't waste any more time with you or your made up info. Thankfully, all of the facts are laid out and I gave names, which you never could except for the lame Windward. Once again, find me three or four girls from Socal who graduated together and all went big time D1. You can't, so you're done. Last time I post on this thread - to the original poster, apologies that the dude above took over this thread and I decided to respond to him with actual facts. I should have just let him spout his ridiculousness and ignored him like everyone else did. I think he is the same guy who spouted about Long Beach Poly deserving to be open over Ribet. And then LBP doesn't even make states.

And original poster - To answer your first question, All CIF teams should come out this week, so you will get a good look at the best players by division.


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