Re: What parents should be doing this spring/summer


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Posted by Coach on February 06, 2018 at 17:17:53:

In Reply to: Re: What parents should be doing this spring/summer posted by No Wax on February 06, 2018 at 13:53:07:

: : : : : : : : : : : : With travel ball "work outs" and viewing tournaments right around the corner, I just wanted to put out some advice for parents of high school players for the next few months.

: : : : : : : : : : : : DO go to a sponsored team's tryouts, if you hadn't planned on it already. I'm talking WCP, Cal Sparks, Cal Storm, Cal Swish, and GBL. You may not like the club, but it's a good idea to go see how they do things. These teams have to compete in national events against some of the top recruits in the country, so some of the top recruits in SoCal will play for them. It's a good gauge to see where your kid is skillwise.

: : : : : : : : : : : : DON'T be unrealistic. If your kid is the 3rd sub on varsity at a small school, don't think they're good enough for Team Taruasi or WCP Black. Be real...your kid isn't there. Those teams are filled with kids who are the stars at their schools.

: : : : : : : : : : : : DO go to college camps. Club coaches will downplay the need for this, but there is really no way for a coach to see every player out there. Make a list of schools and get your kid to those camps.

: : : : : : : : : : : : DON'T just go to D1 camps. California has a slew of D2 and NAIA schools, all of which can offer some money towards college costs. Free college is great, but nearly free college ain't too bad either.

: : : : : : : : : : : : DO ask questions about how many kids the club you're at or moving to have gone to college on scholarship. Clubs are quick to point out their D1 signees. Ask how those kids got to that point, and how many D2 and NAIA signees they have had. The true measure of a club is how many kids were signed overall each year, not just how many D1 players they produced.

: : : : : : : : : : : : DON'T think that it's too late to be recruited. D1s have already moved on to the 2019 class, but most D2s and NAIAs are still filling their 2018 classes. Research rosters and look for a good fit. Contact coaches and send film. If you have film of your kid playing with or against a player on their roster, send it. If you have a club or school connection to a current player, mention it. Ask if they have a camp and if seniors can attend. It's only too late when the first day of school comes around.

: : : : : : : : : : : : I know this is all old news to most people on here, but there are always new parents who find this site and don't know what to do. Just trying to be helpful.

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: : : : : : : : : : : There is some good advice here.

: : : : : : : : : : : Not trying to hate on anyone, but I am not a fan of Storm or GBL programs. For Storm, if you are not on Taurasi or National, you are really just a check. The coaching on their other teams is not that great. Some of the others, like Sparks and WCP have some really good people coaching their second-level teams. This is important, because as you point out, most people are not going to be on the EYBL teams. As for GBL, I don't think their coaching is very good at all. They play a lot of run and gun me-ball.

: : : : : : : : : : : Also, if you can't/don't want to play on one of the EYBL teams, there are a few other high level teams to consider such as San Diego (formerly Wiggins) Waves, 805 Basketball in Ventura, and if you can make it work Arizona Select (I think they have a California team). These are well run programs with respected coaches. The Waves look like they have added a "K-Plum Elite" team, which may means they have a new affiliation. And Arizona Select and 805 Basketball are Blue Star sponsored teams.

: : : : : : : : : : : I always encourage people to go to as many different tryouts as they can to see what other options are out there and see other competition. Remember, if you want to get better, you may have to leave the comfort of the team with all your friends on it if your goal is to play in college.

: : : : : : : : : : : Good luck to everyone this spring/summer. Work hard, enjoy the process, and stay healthy!

: : : : : : : : : : Is Cal Swish a good program?

: : : : : : : : : The best answer to that is, Cal Swish will be a great fit for some and not for others. It all depends on the player and their personality and skill set. Find what fits the best for your kid.

: : : : : : : : Last year, Cal Swish was one of the weaker EYBL teams, though to be honest, all the So Cal teams were not successful.

: : : : : : : : Agree you need to try it out and see how the fit is for your daughter and your family with the coaches and players.

: : : : : : : : Practices are at Vanguard University in Costa Mesa.

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: : : : : : : :Cal Swish are the ones that didn't make the cut on WCP Black or Taurasi and don't want to play in those clubs lower teams. Just the fact. It's not that bad since they compete at the top level being part of EYBL circuit. They get the viewing although for the most part scouts are there to view kids from opposing teams. But it's an opportunity depends on how you see it.

: : : : : : : You can look good while your team is loosing. Others will argue that is better than a 3rd string bench warmer in a winning team.

: : : : : : One girl on 2017 Swish is going to Tennessee, another to Nevada, and another to UCSB. Not sure about the other two seniors (I think one is going Ivy League). All the other girls were juniors and some of them will be D1 also.

: : : : : Very true, above. Swish is a good program and Russ has an excellent reputation. There are lots of reasons Swish would be a better fit for a player than WCP or Storm including loction, cost, coaching, etc. I'm pretty sure KLS would have made Taurasi or WCP's top team if she hadn't wanted to play at Swish.

: : : : Cal Swish is a phenomenal program with the best long-term track record of any of the four EYBL teams. Also, the most accomplished head coach (NAIA Hall of Fame), team USA staff. They were down last year, but looking at their twitter account, appears they have some huge recruits from Arizona next year.

: : : With all the talk of pulling one or two of the So Cal EYBL spots, I'm sure they all are trying to recruit better players.

: : : I know Swish is doing it, and I heard Sparks is too. Be interesting to see what WCP and Storm will do as they will need to move up the core of their 15 National teams. Delicate balance of who to bring in and not piss off the 15's parents.

: : First off, there is nothing that makes Swish a better program than WCP, Storm, or Sparks. They're all good programs with the intend og getting kids to college. The costs of all of the clubs are comparable, and location is not a factor. Parents go where they want to take their kids, regardless of where they live. That explains why all of the clubs have had kids from central California, San Diego, Arizona, Nevada, etc.

: : Again, your opinion is that Swish is great. However, I'm sure there are parents who have went there and thought the program was crap and Russ couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. The same goes for Brian at WCP, George at Storm, and Elbert at Sparks. It's all about personal opinion and there is no hard "This club is the best", so please stop trying to act like there is. Every club has negatives and nearly every point you want to throw out about the greatness of Swish can be countered and ridiculed.

: : If you want to wax poetic about the greatness of Swish, start your own thread. Knowing the nature of this board, it won't go well for you.

: Don't know if anyone was waxing about Swish or calling Swish the best, I certainly wasn't. More just responding to the comment that Swish is the place where kids who can't make the other three programs go. Clearly, that has not been consistently true over time. The reality is that being on any of the four is an amazing opportunity.

Swish is terrible. The program needs to sober up and only a few players will benefit from this program


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