Re: UCLA in Vegas

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Posted by Cori Close recruits athleticism on November 25, 2017 at 23:34:57:

In Reply to: UCLA in Vegas posted by Watcher on November 25, 2017 at 18:39:14:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : ",,,And he'd be cheaper than any top male coach."

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : That's kind of been UCLA's hiring focus in all the sports over the years--get the best coach they can at bargain prices!

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Walt's Dog

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : They have a balanced budget and still have contenders in almost every sport they field. Would you want it like Rutgers which pays someone like CVS who is the fourth highest paid person at Rutgers, has the largest deficit of any Div 1 school and has taken funds allocated for academics and illegally channeled them to their dying athletics program? Or maybe like Cal which had such a deficit that a few years ago, they tried to cancel their baseball, gymnastics -men and women, and womens lacrosse?

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Don't blame the UCLA Coach, UCONN has superior talent. I'm a Jordan C fan, but she played awful and although her form is better than Lonzo, her results were like his. Just saw her throwing up bricks from the outside that didn't draw rim and desperate circus drives to the basket. She missed a couple of looks to the Auzzie Frosh who was hitting. She should know by now, set up the teammate that is scoring well in the game and keep going to her.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : If Jordin (nor Jordan) is playing out of control and throwing up wild shots, why isn't her coach correcting her? This isn't her freshman year, it's her senior year and she's been like that all her career. Coach Close has not developed her. If she's not hitting her teammates for an assist, who should be telling her to do so?

: : : : : : : : : : : : : :: First off, it IS the coaches fault. Jordin is just out there trying to score. As she's driving to the basket, who is she going to kick the ball to? She doesn't have 2, 3 options. She's got to "find" the "three point specialist". The PG for UConn just needs to find the open man, which is ANY of them?-

: : : : : : : : : : : : : Put Jordin on UConn's team, they'd be even more unbeatable.

: : : : : : : : : : : : Exactly because she'd be in a system. She'd have to mold to the system. Not do her own thing like she's been doing for the last 3 years.

: : : : : : : : : : : :: No system. No identity. Tons of talent, highly ranked athleticism. That is not an identity.

: : : : : : : : : : A very balanced and thoughtful group of posts about UConn and UCLA and why one is a perennial powerhouse and the other one is an also ran.

: : : : : : : : : : The one comment I especially felt was correct was "not an identity." After seven seasons at UCLA, I still don't know what kind of a program Close is creating. She came in as an offensive coach from FSU but we've seen little of that. Player development? Last night we saw how little she's instilled in her #1 class. They all reverted back to high school ball.

: : : : : : : : : : Something is not right in the UCLA basketball culture, mens or womens. In the womens, they simply don't have the skills or mentality to win the big games. They have the talent but not the coaching or system.

: : : : : : : : : : This is a big season for Close. She loses Canada and Billings and also Hayes next year. Burke is a great player but she's going to be lonely out there with so little development from the remainder of the team. Ashley Hearn might have even quit. UCLA needs to understand what they want out of womens basketball. Close needs some fresh blood among her assistants, or maybe some other school might lure her away. We can hope. I think she's in the final year of her contract and if we go by her recruiting, she has not lived up to them.

: : : : : : : : : I was at the game. I saw about what I expected to see.

: : : : : : : : : Close did what she could but Gino is just a better coach, and he has better players and a lot more of them (although based on the unit on the floor for the last part of the game, he didn't have as much depth as I thought he had).

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: : : : : : : : : UConn was so disciplined, they looked like the Patriots in the NFL. You get the sense that the defense knows exactly what to do down to the smallest detail, for example how to guard the strong side corner three when there is penetration from the wing spot. Not many schools have players who are smart enough to receive this level of instruction, and not many coaches are prepared to provide it.

: : : : : : : : : The Bruins looked beat in the opening minutes, even though they kept the score relatively close for a while. Frankly speaking some of the Bruins crapped their diapers as soon as they saw the UConn uniforms. They still kept within striking distance, pulling within 6 in the 3rd quarter, before giving up a 22-0 run that put the Bruins away for good.

: : : : : : : : : UConn schemed to take away Billings and chose to let Canada shoot from the outside and it paid off big time. Canada could beat her man whenever she wanted but it didn't do any good because UConn's help rotations were too quick. Canada didn't help matters by trying to force passes inside that ended up as turnovers. By the end of the game she was second guessing and not hitting open players like Horvat, who had a decent game despite a flat looking shot. Drummer looked terrible and got beat on defense in too many ways to count and Hayes likewise had trouble staying on the floor.

: : : : : : : : : Give it up to UConn. They're just better.

: : : : : : : : :: I think there's going to be a shift towards other WBB programs in so cal. Trakh just might get USC back on track, now that Cooper is gone. LMU is coming up as well, and is doing better than they ever have with a fresh young talented group of local girls. There's several "UC" schools in the so cal area that are itching to lure away the fantastic pool of talent right in UCLAs bball yard. In recent years UCLA started shifting focus on a recruiting gambit at Texas, and abroad. The cupboard is going to be bare next year and IF (as it's currently looking) like UCLA's coveted #1- recruiting class fails to make the final four) - then elite recruits are probably going to be looking back east and down south to further their basketball and academics aspirations or other options if staying local?

: : : : : : : : We will see.

: : : : : : : USC and UCLA are the only games in SoCal if you're an elite recruit. UCLA will always be a destination based on academic reputation but UCLA has become unpopular on the club scene because of perceived lack of coaching. Canada has become Exhibit A. If Trakh pulls ahead, and he's always been popular, UCLA becomes the second choice in LA. The local players have sadly become less talented and plentiful but going to Texas means you're going up against Texas, Baylor, Texas Tech TAMU, etc. and the local schools will probably get the cream of the crop.

: : : : : : : I don't count out this talented group but there are also reports that UCLA got their butts kicked in a scrimmage to Texas early on. I think an Elite Eight is the ceiling and that should be all on the coaching staff.

: : : : : : : UCLA needs a new coach and a new approach.

: : : : : : :: Case in point is Alexis Morris from TX. Close and her assistants go after her, lose local elite players like Joanna Smith to Cal (UCLA academics are not all that), Ionescu, if you include No Cal, there's plenty of elite talent in this state... Then Baylor gets to her, she DE-commits from UCLA, STAYS in Texas. Unfortunately now the top 80 guards are gone, #86 Japrece Dean goes to UCLA. Baylor just got a commitment from another elite player recently. If academics AND coaching are key priorities, that would be Stanford, Cal and perhaps other schools in CA. UC Irvine for example is the place to graduate from for Computer and Life Sciences. Law school or film? USC. I don't believe UCLA is going to be able to recover from this. Even now, Close thinks that this is a learning, coachable course correction, it's not. As the previous poster said, this needs a whole new coach and approach to fix

: : : : : Just curious, who would be your new coach and what approach would you take?

: : : : : Team just beat Baylor and lost to a team that has lost one game of its last 115 games.

: : : : : How about 2 of the 5 starters for UCLA contributing only one basket for the game.That basket was Hayes 3 pointer 3 minutes into the game. Drummer took 2 shots and missed both. So 40% of your starters contributed 3 points, and zero points for the last 37 minutes of the game. The freshman from Australia, Horvat, played well considering this had to be the biggest game she has been in. Close gave her a lot of play time.
: : : : : Do I think there are better coaches than Close, yes. Are they available or want the job, who knows. But you can do a lot worse than Close, IMO.

: : : : Baylor also was without one of their top players and their coach. As we saw with UConn, coaching does make a difference. UConn didn't even have KLS and still gave them a drubbing.

: : : : Good for Close and Horvat. How much time did she ever give to Ashley Hearn, an AA?

: : : : As for the poor offensive showing, the majority of the players are ones that she's had for four years. They're top players including a top point and a top post. If they still aren't aware of Close's offense then either she's not teaching it correctly or it's too complicated, either of which is her fault. Offensively and defensively, the lack of teamwork was startling. It is telling that a sophomore point guard from Uconn looked better and more composed than our highly ranked Canada. She played a smart game because Geno is a smart coach and she worked within a system. Close had no system which is obvious because of the poor spacing that forced Canada to try playing one on one.

: : : : She's had seven years to prove herself. Great players have come through her program and she doesn't have a single conference championship or conference tournament championship to her credit. Canada and Billings will almost certainly never be AAs judging from how many saw and criticized their play against UConn. All this from a reputed #1 class. She has two Sweet 16s. Very good but UCLA is very up and down because she seems a very unstable coach.

: : : : Who would I like to see? Let's see Close get fired before we make those judgements, but OSU got Scott Rueck and Oregon got Kelly Graves. Reuck and Close started at the same time with vastly different teams and recruiting. Graves just started and look at his PROGRAM. Both created programs, not teams.

: : : Gail Goestenkors. Assistant with the Sparks, great job at Duke, not so good at Texas (recruiting problems). Outstanding coach, great lady and lives part time in LA. Or maybe Close could hire her as associate head coach.

: : :: Open your eyes (insert under-achieving coach name here)
: : 1. Understand that basketball is a GUARD'S game
: : 2. Stop chasing "rankings". Attend games (especially in your own backyard) and selectively go after recruits that fit in to your program's PLAN...oh that reminds me:
: : 3. Have a PLAN. Don't just throw together players that pass "the airport test" (they "look" like they're great basketball players) or the ranking establishments say they are. KNOW that they are great - and fit into your program.
: : 4. Stop thinking that a player can learn to shoot/score in college - they CAN'T (in general)
: : 5. Pick spot up shooters/scorers and TEACH them DEFENSE (yes, defense can be taught to any player)
: : 6. If you are the head coach - and need HELP - hire a great ASST coach, and if they pan out - PROMOTE them to ASSOCIATE head coach. Focus on step #2
: : 7. Teach all your players NOT to foul
: : 8. Expect nothing but 1,000% effort at all times. Punish players by withholding playing time. Get rid of players (no matter who they are) regardless of their status - if they don't buy in to YOUR system (assuming you have one).
: : 9. The THREE point shot is here to stay. Your stellar post play will be negated by the three's. (It's a war of attrition). Trading 2's for 3's - is suicide.
: : 10. Once you find your plan - focus on perfect execution. Execution is everything.

: : WHO could implement this? ANY COACH COULD. So far - it seems that only Geno does. Learn.

: They beat "powerhouses" Kansas St. and Creighton by 9 points each. Watching the video feed, it looks like they feel like they can get by on their athleticism alone. They literally can't defend or score in the paint. As UConn showed, take away their fast break and they have nothing. Good luck to them but this looks like the kind of team that could be beaten by some far inferior teams once they figure them out.

:: Close recruits athleticism. Most coaches severely overestimate their ability to develop players. So, they figure get a bunch of highly ranked athletes together and "good things will happen", that is not how it works most of the time.
I couldn't even watch the Vegas game. Very disappointing.

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