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Posted by Meh on November 23, 2017 at 15:28:21:

In Reply to: Re: USC, LMU, UC posted by Pac12 fan on November 23, 2017 at 13:16:54:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : ",,,And he'd be cheaper than any top male coach."

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : That's kind of been UCLA's hiring focus in all the sports over the years--get the best coach they can at bargain prices!

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Walt's Dog

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : They have a balanced budget and still have contenders in almost every sport they field. Would you want it like Rutgers which pays someone like CVS who is the fourth highest paid person at Rutgers, has the largest deficit of any Div 1 school and has taken funds allocated for academics and illegally channeled them to their dying athletics program? Or maybe like Cal which had such a deficit that a few years ago, they tried to cancel their baseball, gymnastics -men and women, and womens lacrosse?

: : : : : : : : : : : : : Don't blame the UCLA Coach, UCONN has superior talent. I'm a Jordan C fan, but she played awful and although her form is better than Lonzo, her results were like his. Just saw her throwing up bricks from the outside that didn't draw rim and desperate circus drives to the basket. She missed a couple of looks to the Auzzie Frosh who was hitting. She should know by now, set up the teammate that is scoring well in the game and keep going to her.

: : : : : : : : : : : : If Jordin (nor Jordan) is playing out of control and throwing up wild shots, why isn't her coach correcting her? This isn't her freshman year, it's her senior year and she's been like that all her career. Coach Close has not developed her. If she's not hitting her teammates for an assist, who should be telling her to do so?

: : : : : : : : : : : :: First off, it IS the coaches fault. Jordin is just out there trying to score. As she's driving to the basket, who is she going to kick the ball to? She doesn't have 2, 3 options. She's got to "find" the "three point specialist". The PG for UConn just needs to find the open man, which is ANY of them?-

: : : : : : : : : : : Put Jordin on UConn's team, they'd be even more unbeatable.

: : : : : : : : : : Exactly because she'd be in a system. She'd have to mold to the system. Not do her own thing like she's been doing for the last 3 years.

: : : : : : : : : :: No system. No identity. Tons of talent, highly ranked athleticism. That is not an identity.

: : : : : : : : A very balanced and thoughtful group of posts about UConn and UCLA and why one is a perennial powerhouse and the other one is an also ran.

: : : : : : : : The one comment I especially felt was correct was "not an identity." After seven seasons at UCLA, I still don't know what kind of a program Close is creating. She came in as an offensive coach from FSU but we've seen little of that. Player development? Last night we saw how little she's instilled in her #1 class. They all reverted back to high school ball.

: : : : : : : : Something is not right in the UCLA basketball culture, mens or womens. In the womens, they simply don't have the skills or mentality to win the big games. They have the talent but not the coaching or system.

: : : : : : : : This is a big season for Close. She loses Canada and Billings and also Hayes next year. Burke is a great player but she's going to be lonely out there with so little development from the remainder of the team. Ashley Hearn might have even quit. UCLA needs to understand what they want out of womens basketball. Close needs some fresh blood among her assistants, or maybe some other school might lure her away. We can hope. I think she's in the final year of her contract and if we go by her recruiting, she has not lived up to them.

: : : : : : : I was at the game. I saw about what I expected to see.

: : : : : : : Close did what she could but Gino is just a better coach, and he has better players and a lot more of them (although based on the unit on the floor for the last part of the game, he didn't have as much depth as I thought he had).

: : : : :
: : : : : : : UConn was so disciplined, they looked like the Patriots in the NFL. You get the sense that the defense knows exactly what to do down to the smallest detail, for example how to guard the strong side corner three when there is penetration from the wing spot. Not many schools have players who are smart enough to receive this level of instruction, and not many coaches are prepared to provide it.

: : : : : : : The Bruins looked beat in the opening minutes, even though they kept the score relatively close for a while. Frankly speaking some of the Bruins crapped their diapers as soon as they saw the UConn uniforms. They still kept within striking distance, pulling within 6 in the 3rd quarter, before giving up a 22-0 run that put the Bruins away for good.

: : : : : : : UConn schemed to take away Billings and chose to let Canada shoot from the outside and it paid off big time. Canada could beat her man whenever she wanted but it didn't do any good because UConn's help rotations were too quick. Canada didn't help matters by trying to force passes inside that ended up as turnovers. By the end of the game she was second guessing and not hitting open players like Horvat, who had a decent game despite a flat looking shot. Drummer looked terrible and got beat on defense in too many ways to count and Hayes likewise had trouble staying on the floor.

: : : : : : : Give it up to UConn. They're just better.

: : : : : : :: I think there's going to be a shift towards other WBB programs in so cal. Trakh just might get USC back on track, now that Cooper is gone. LMU is coming up as well, and is doing better than they ever have with a fresh young talented group of local girls. There's several "UC" schools in the so cal area that are itching to lure away the fantastic pool of talent right in UCLAs bball yard. In recent years UCLA started shifting focus on a recruiting gambit at Texas, and abroad. The cupboard is going to be bare next year and IF (as it's currently looking) like UCLA's coveted #1- recruiting class fails to make the final four) - then elite recruits are probably going to be looking back east and down south to further their basketball and academics aspirations or other options if staying local?

: : : : : : We will see.

: : : : : USC and UCLA are the only games in SoCal if you're an elite recruit. UCLA will always be a destination based on academic reputation but UCLA has become unpopular on the club scene because of perceived lack of coaching. Canada has become Exhibit A. If Trakh pulls ahead, and he's always been popular, UCLA becomes the second choice in LA. The local players have sadly become less talented and plentiful but going to Texas means you're going up against Texas, Baylor, Texas Tech TAMU, etc. and the local schools will probably get the cream of the crop.

: : : : : I don't count out this talented group but there are also reports that UCLA got their butts kicked in a scrimmage to Texas early on. I think an Elite Eight is the ceiling and that should be all on the coaching staff.

: : : : : UCLA needs a new coach and a new approach.

: : : : :: Case in point is Alexis Morris from TX. Close and her assistants go after her, lose local elite players like Joanna Smith to Cal (UCLA academics are not all that), Ionescu, if you include No Cal, there's plenty of elite talent in this state... Then Baylor gets to her, she DE-commits from UCLA, STAYS in Texas. Unfortunately now the top 80 guards are gone, #86 Japrece Dean goes to UCLA. Baylor just got a commitment from another elite player recently. If academics AND coaching are key priorities, that would be Stanford, Cal and perhaps other schools in CA. UC Irvine for example is the place to graduate from for Computer and Life Sciences. Law school or film? USC. I don't believe UCLA is going to be able to recover from this. Even now, Close thinks that this is a learning, coachable course correction, it's not. As the previous poster said, this needs a whole new coach and approach to fix

: : : Just curious, who would be your new coach and what approach would you take?

: : : Team just beat Baylor and lost to a team that has lost one game of its last 115 games.

: : : How about 2 of the 5 starters for UCLA contributing only one basket for the game.That basket was Hayes 3 pointer 3 minutes into the game. Drummer took 2 shots and missed both. So 40% of your starters contributed 3 points, and zero points for the last 37 minutes of the game. The freshman from Australia, Horvat, played well considering this had to be the biggest game she has been in. Close gave her a lot of play time.
: : : Do I think there are better coaches than Close, yes. Are they available or want the job, who knows. But you can do a lot worse than Close, IMO.

: : You can do a lot worse than Close. Kinda like being the second nicest guy in jail.

: I dont know, I have never been in jail
: Then again you could give CCD another chance and I am sure do well, (sarcasm).

: Too many people want a coach fired without ever naming a replacement and why that coach would be good or better. Nor have they named a different approach they want to take. That is the easy way out.
: I suppose before last year you could have said the same about Dawn Staley at South Carolina. Underachieved some years at SC, with talent. Maybe overachieved at Temple. But the school stuck with her and look what they got.

: I suppose if UCLA doesnt make the final 4 it will be a bad year(unless they are put in UConns bracket and meet in the Elite 8)

"I dont know, I have never been in jail
: Then again you could give CCD another chance and I am sure do well, (sarcasm)."

Judging from that poor sentence structure and nonsensical verbiage, it's likely you never went to high school, either.

I see you stayed away from Pac coaches Graves and Rueck and went to the SEC. Better do some research before you start saying stupid stuff. Four years in and Staley got to the Sweet 16. Two years later, in her sixth year, she won won the conference and the tournament two years in a row.

No one ever said anything about Close not making the Final Four and it being disappointing. Close not winning the conference and or winning the conference championship game would be disappointing and she hasn't done either, yet.

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