Re: Why is City Section basketball nowhere near as respected as southern Section

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Posted by city fan on November 21, 2017 at 10:01:42:

In Reply to: Re: Why is City Section basketball nowhere near as respected as southern Section posted by Coaching on November 21, 2017 at 08:10:44:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Just wondering

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Um, is this a trick question? Who’s asking this? Is the person asking this question new to girls high school basketball? The answer to this question is that there are so many more exceptional teams in the sourthen section than the city section, plain and simple. Not to knock the city section, but the city normally has one to two teams that can play against some of the better southern section teams. And I mean play, not beat the better southern section teams.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : There are some great city players and even some really good city teams, but because city has nothing to "offer" like free tuition to a private school, a lot of the good players get recruited by these private schools in the SS, leaving only a few great players here and there in the city. Lets be honest the only SS teams this board talks or cares about are the private schools. These SS teams are stacked with great players by heavy recruiting. It is a shame the city teams that can compete don't get more respect.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : When was the last time a city team won State? Enough said.

: : : : : : : : : : : ^^well that is because they get recruited out. Its not like there is no talent in the city, but can't win with 1 or 2 good players against a full stacked team that the private schools recruited out of the city.

: : : : : : : : : : For the most part, these kids/parents are the ones that initiate contacts with these schools. Can't blame them for seeking better academic and athletic programs.

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: : : : : : : : : All of the above is true. Private schools recruiting all the talented players. Then because they are doing well, better players seeking them out.

: : : : : : : : : This didn't use to be the case, especially on the boys side.

: : : : : : : : : But the rise of travel/AAU ball and everyone thinking their kid can play in college (free tuition), people (parents) are chasing basketball programs rather than putting their kids in the best school to succeed academically, athletically, and socially. Sometimes, those schools may be the same, but not always.

: : : : : : : : : The worst thing I see is these middle school parents "shopping" their kids to every private school looking for the best deal - again not taking all factors into account.

: : : : : : : : : Then, if they aren't good enough to play/start, they just transfer to somewhere they can play, etc.

: : : : : : : : : The good news, at least on the boys side, is City ball is on the rise. A lot of that is there is more really good talent to go around.

: : : : : : : : Coaching in the city section has been pathetic the last 10 years. When a city team is actually good and has the talent to compete they are getting badly out outcoached by southern section teams. Not only do all the better players go private, so do the coachs. Granada coach is solid, Judy has done a very good job over the years, especially in last year's city champion
: : : : : : : : game. You could tell she wasn't giving up and was still fighting despite being down 19 late in the third. Better everything in private, that's the truth.

: : : : : : : I think if a kid can get to a private school and not play much the parents don't care much now as long as their kid is getting a better education and get ready for college. there may be some parent who want their kids to play college ball and forget about the education and have to settle for community college. I know a few kids who couldn't play in college because of their bad grades. So if they offer "financial aid" at any private school it's crazy not to take it. just my opinion.

: : : : : : Since, coaching is so bad in the city. Are there any coaches on the rise that could help build a program?

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: : : : : Poor coaching isn't just a City problem. There are few "really good coaches" anywhere. It just happens they are at SS and mostly private schools.

: : : : : The issue is coaching, unless you are a teacher/administrator, just doesn't pay that much. And this is true at privates too, except for FB and selected boys BB coaches.

: : : : Granada has a really good young coach, who has a bright future. Fairfax coach Judi was a really good coach, not sure where she is now.

: : : :: There's only a handful of great coaches SS or City. Was the Chaminade coach great because she had the elite combo of Odom and Higgins? IMHO ONLY Coach Buggs can lay claim to being a truly CONSISTENT coach over the years, as far as all the rest, for every SS coach you can name - I have an equivalent City Coach - Granada, Pali (Torino), Judy (Fairfax)...soon as their 'fluke" all-star leaves, the (SS) program is off the radar.

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: : the coaching is horrible in the city section except for the granada coach. Let's be honest. Judy is a decent coach and Pali underachieved the last 4 years considering all of the talent they've had. not sure how they didn't win 4 in a row with their talent.

: Good coaching can make a team better, but unless you also have the players, it's hard to be great, at least consistently great. And when good coaches get good players, then you get "special" teams.

Man you people give Granada coach too much credit, most of his players play club ball in the valley and if he's that good every year why he's still falls short to the open div.finals and not been offer to coach at a private school. Fairfax ,Carson and El Camino has a great chance to beat them again in the Open semi finals again!!!! but he will be a great coach next year again!!!

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