Re: Blending young and more experienced players - eg MD

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Posted by MD Fan different opinion on November 15, 2017 at 06:53:42:

In Reply to: Re: Blending young and more experienced players - eg MD posted by MD Fan on November 14, 2017 at 20:20:33:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : like probably 40-50% of all student athletes
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : entering their frosh HS year!

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Really??? Site your source.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Yes she’s a hold back. At least once.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : Demetre is a hold back? Wow, she struggled at the Lynwood games and I thought she was just having Freshmanitus. I'm not impressed at all now we know she is a HB. All those offers won't do jack for you in a high school game. Seen her play travel ball, could it be she played with all those D1 players and made her look good? This might be one of those classic cases of parents living through their child and ruining their future. She will probably transfer if she doesn't have a good year and blame it on coaches/players.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : Hold back or not, and I don't know if she is, high school ball is different than travel ball. Not necessarily better, but different.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : Teams scheme to stop other teams/players, which rarely if ever happens in run and gun travel ball. Also, more calls in high school games, so adjustments need to be made there too.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : So whether she is 14 or 15, she is still playing high level high school ball at a top school. So how about we give the kid a few actual games before you all tear her down.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : And for the record I don't know her or have any connection to MD. I saw her play at a couple viewing tourneys and she looked good. But that team was loaded, and she was like option 5.

: : : : : : : : : : : : She'll be a fine player for whichever program she lands at. I've seen her play numerous times. She isn't a me first, dominate the ball kind of player but has a large skill set, is a team player, and is getting bigger and better each time I see her. Perhaps even better suited to a good college program than some of these other "elite" players who play full court press and gimmick defenses with their "elite" club teams, but have zero concept of actual man defense, how to defend pick and rolls, helpside defense, etc. And who want to dominate the ball to try to look good.

: : : : : : : : : : : Standing in the corner like a statue on offense does not look like a high IQ type player. Slow footed, can't keep up with guards as she was fouling all the time and can not handle the ball with defense on her. 6'3 but does not step inside 3 pt line like there is a plague in the key. I am not going at this player but at her parents and adults around her for trying to make her what she is not. Adults want to talk offers but she is a hold back that lacks skills as it was shown recently. The hold back process did not help her at all maybe try another year.

: : : : : : : : : : Standing in a corner like a statue? If the coach runs a play that requires her to spot up in the corner as a shooting threat in order to open up the paint I don't think that's really her fault. Basketball isn't all about iso plays and forcing the ball to one kid. She's part of a team - sometimes she'll touch the ball and sometimes she won't. That's just part of the game. And saying she lacks "skills" is ridiculous. She's probably the most skilled player on the floor at MD and her basketball IQ is probably higher than the assistant coach.

: : : : : : : : : : I haven't noticed the slowness you mentioned - I actually noticed her playing good team defense when I last watched her. But if you want to say she lacks a physical presence in the key or she backs down when the stakes get high, well that's a valid point that has been made in the past and we'll see if it happens this season. So she has crazy parents, so what? So do a lot of high profile players. She's probably not quite as awesome as mom thinks, but she's a smart skilled player that will make a D1 school especially happy because of her length.

: : : : : : : : : We will agree to disagree. Time will definitely tell. But higher IQ than Coach? LOL thats coming from a personal space which can only be tied to a parent. You can't be a HOLD BACK and considered high profile. You needed an extra year to become good because Mommy/Daddy thought you sucked and couldn't compete with your own age group or older. High profile? Lol didn't look like it at Lynwood high school. She got exposed!! Sure she will look good against JSERRA lol but the playoffs she will be exposed again. So keep counting those offers and see how many quality wins can come from it. Nice talking to you Mr./Mrs. Demetre

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: : : : : : : : :Walk away Mr and Mrs D, you can't win in this forum. You should have read previous posts on here to get an idea on how to properly present your kid. If you come on here too high strung, folks here will destroy you. You don't want to get labeled and be that person when you enter gyms on game days.

: : : : : : : I'm not Mr. or Mrs. D. and I don't have a kid at MD but I've seen them play a couple times. Also I saw BD play club ball with AZ Select last year. I think the hype machine is a little high but I like her skills and IQ, not sure why those would be questioned. Being a holdback is a valid point but I doubt that was the kid's choice. My biggest criticism is that she's not tough enough down low but it's early - we'll see how she does in the big games this season.

: : : : : : She's a holdback, so immediately her level of development is inadequate? I'm sure she's growing into her size and may very well still be growing. Can she expand her game and become an inside outside threat? That remains to be seen. But to say she isn't high profile then discounts the colleges that think otherwise of her potential and have reached out to her or even made an offer.

: : : : : : Here's the short version: Lengthy player, good fundamentals and skills, quality team player. Lots of potential. We'll see how much it's fulfilled.

: : : : : As a coach, I'd love to have a player like her. Don't know the parents so I can't comment on that aspect, but unfortunately crazed parents are the norm now if you're in the coaching game. You can run some interesting stuff with a player like her, and its not uncommon for younger players to lack an inside game since everyone seems to want to work on double/triple dribble moves and 26 foot jumpers, even if their fundamentals are broken. I don't know her at all but people tell me she's a great girl, coachable, works hard. I'd rather have that than the me me me player who's dad is telling her that she's the team, and she needs to score for us to win.

: : : : She is an ok player. Confused as to why the decision to hold her back. As stated in previous comments its a parent issue. Its why she joined an already stacked AZ select team and now a stacked md team. Riding the coat tails of other great players. Her parents parading her offers on here like she KLS. Thats the problem...her parents not the daughter. Stop it already with the college coaches, everybody knows how it works. You can't teach 6'3 but her game has not caughf up to her size yet even with the hold back year. Curious as to what she did in that year cause it hasnt shown yet.

: : : She has 3 years to show it before it's time to sign. We'll see. If she's a finished product now, like many of the players are already (bad habits already ingrained, not growing any taller or getting any faster) than she may not pan out. If she's learning, working, getting stronger and faster, and growing into her body - she could be very impactful.

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: : :In your own humble opinion, who should be starting for Mater Dei if everyone's available and eligible to play.

: : Crocker, Freeman, Pepe, Demetre and Torbert. That's a solid starting line up.

I don't think MD should just plug Crocker in as a starter, unless she's completely changed her game and mindset from prior years.

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