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Posted by It's a personnel utilization problem on November 03, 2017 at 10:54:39:

In Reply to: Re: PLEASE! posted by So dumb on November 03, 2017 at 10:21:07:

: : : : : : : : It all depends on the degree you get from
: : : : : : : : UCLA, (STEMS)science/Tech/Engineering/Math
: : : : : : : : degrees, ya; will get you a good income after
: : : : : : : : college, a degree in afro-american, chicano,
: : : : : : : : indian,etc., studies not so much,also include all
: : : : : : : : the social science type degrees, re: sociology,
: : : : : : : : psychology,etc

: : : : : : : : Go to a starbucks sometme and get to know some
: : : : : : : : of the baristas, half of them have a college
: : : : : : : : degree that is worthless in the real world

: : : : : : : I graduated from UCLA in the 90s and proudly support all things UCLA. In light of all the shadiness in college athletics, I happily support someone who runs a program with integrity and who fosters the growth of young women. Sure she might benefit from some new coaching blood, maybe a better Xs and Os person, but anyone who is supposedly steering their players away from a full UCLA scholarship is completely misguided and deluded. Stanford, Cal, even SC...the same. Use basketball as a tool for something greater please.

: : : : : : : And if you’re interested, I make 40K in a month. But before taxes. UCLA undergrad and grad school.

: : : : : : If the girls is interested in a basketball career, UCLA is not a destination. Sorry. If the offers come from Stanford, UConn, Baylor, Notre Dame, Duke and UCLA, the Bruins are last on that list. Even if you're a top student and you're a top player, the pro leagues are a definite starting point. A top WNBA player could bank over 5 Million in a ten year career in US/Europe before going into coaching or grad school. Elizabeth Williams made a big thing about being a doctor. She's playing basketball. Do you think Jordin Canada will go into nursing right after graduation?

: : : : : : UCLA is still one of the greatest academic institutions in the world and considering the tuition, would have to also be considered one of the bargains. However, if a girl is wanting a career in basketball, it is not the top place to go. If you put all things together, academics, athletics, etc., UCLA simply can't compete with a Stanford, Notre Dame or even Duke. The one they can compete with and have succeeded is Cal, which is ahead of UCLA academically, but whose basketball program is a wreck.

: : : : : Taurasi almost came to UCLA instead of UConn and Nikki Blue almost went to UConn instead of UCLA. You can see how both of those ended up. Granted, it was during the Olivier era, but Close is showing she's the second coming of Olivier. How many players does she have in the W or overseas? Any club coach would be insane to recommend UCLA over the top tier programs based on basketball. Even if you just wanted academics, Stanford, Duke and Notre Dame would be impossible to pass up. There might have been a few players who were accepted to Stanford but went to UCLA but by all measures, that would have been a terrible decision. I believe Ekmark turned down Stanford to go to UConn where she rode the bench and is now at the academically inept but basketball competent ASU.

: : : : : I agree that it's wonderful that Coach Close is running a clean program. However, if you can't couple that with a winning program that doesn't always underachieve, that will get old very quickly. UCLA has proven that morality means little as their current mens basketball coach harassed a rape victim to withdraw charges so one of his players could continue playing.

: : : : : I also agree that Coach Close needs to rethink her assistants because they're stuck on a strange road. People were talking here about how UCLA athletics is a winning tradition. They forgot about womens basketball.

: : : : "A career in basketball"
: : : : Who are you people kidding? How many of these girls, talented as they may be, will really achieve a lifelong career in basketball?

: : : : If you choose to go to Stanford, Notre Dame, Duke, Cal, UCLA, etc. to play basketball AND you take advantage of the academic opportunities, there is no downside.

: : : : If you make a choice to go somewhere purely for basketball, you are a straight up fool (in the parlance of this forum).

: : : : A top WNBA player can bank over 5 million in a 10 year career? What percentage of girls in HS/college will achieve that?

: : : : Anyone who lets there future be guided by their club coach, many of which are parasites, many of which do not have the educational background that these girls might have the chance to achieve, deserves whatever they choose.

: : : : I like how one person extrapolates Steve Alford's terrible past choices to generalize to "UCLA has proven morality means little".

: : : : Does that discredit the presence and influence of Jackie Robinson?

: : : : The lack of intelligence on this forum is oftentimes astounding.

: : : We're talking about TOP players. And that career in basketball could be coaching, which many players choose to go into as a profession. And so those girls who choose to go to UConn purely for basketball (not even a Top 100 Public) are straight up fools?

: : : And since you didn't get it, the point was that top WNBA players can bank that much if they also play in Europe, but that's surely predicated on college performance. As such, is it a mistake for someone like Aquira DeCosta to choose a school like Baylor despite every single thing that they have against them when the program has a history of developing top talent?

: : : And Jackie Robinson? Gee, when was the last time he was attending UCLA? A little while ago, there was also something about Ben Howland as well. Does Jackie Robinson's previous attendance excuse those recent things?

: : : Time to take another Xanax, cupcake.

: : UCLA lost Reece Caldwell so that might not make this the #1 class, but this is an important year.

: : This #1 class:

: : 1) Never won the Pac tournament
: : 2) Never won the Conference championship
: : 3) Never got past the Sweet 16
: : 4) Never had a single player become an AA

: : The last one is most significant because if UCLA underachieves again, Canada and Billings will not be named First Team AA.

: The Jackie Robinson example was just as dumb as using Steve Alford to gauge the morality of an ENTIRE INSTITUTION! Hence, the example was effective in you disproving your own point, based on your response.

: And yes, to make a choice based purely on basketball when the odds of making a sustainable career out of it has to be considered somewhat questionable.

: But this forum has proven time and time again to be filled with the cretins who populate the gyms every weekend for club tournaments, cursing at young children, touting their childs "accomplishments" at every turn while they hoist up shots with broken fundamentals, etc. etc. I love basketball but quitting coaching years ago was the best thing I did to preserve that love.

:: I think that it is possible that UCLA could have the breakout year in this final push for this class. However, my personal opinion is that Close didn't have a plan for how the exceptional players she recruited, would perform AS A UNIT/TEAM. You literally have one of the best (if not the best) point guards in the NCAA in JC. Please Jordin Canada haters, hear me out.

IMHO the surrounding cast of players do not compliment Jordin's capabilities. I swear Cal is the exact same situation, only worse. No "spot up" outside shooters, for Jordin to pass to, after collapsing the defense around her superb ball handling skills. Drive - and "kick"...except who is she going to kick it to??

I think this was the - "let's gather together the highest talent (ranked?), and athletic players together" (which they DID!) - and "good things will surely happen".

It doesn't work like that. A lot of folks are jealous of Geno/UConn - but look at what he does:

1. Recruits talented "knock down" shooters
2. Built around a superb ball-handler or two
3. Establishes a solid post presence, as well as
back-court/outside capability.
4. Teaches ALL of them how NOT to foul.
5. Demands high % free throw shooting
6. Demands 1000% effort and motivates them to that end.

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