Re: CIF should be ashamed of themselves. WOW

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Posted by omg on November 05, 2009 at 09:55:17:

In Reply to: Re: CIF should be ashamed of themselves. WOW posted by No. on November 05, 2009 at 09:45:53:

: : : CIF moved teams this year by making a "sliding scale" for teams. They conveniently moved the criteria by 25 students so Mater Dei would fall into 3AA and miss Brea. Nowhere in the bluebook does it say they have a right to do this. Criteria for Divisions should be the same for a period of years. For example, last year Division 2A was 2274-2450. Mater Dei was at 2294. This year CIF moved it to 2294-2464 which put Mater Dei in 3AA. There was ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON FOR THEM TO CHANGE LAST YEARS SLIDING SCALE. It was to keep Brea and Mater Dei apart. If each year CIF can make their own "scale" then the point system and enrollment is all for nothing. They can manipulate the system to put teams where they want. RIDCULOUS.

: : This is odd because overall enrollments in the LAUSD schools are dropping. If enrollments were growing at a 10% rate across the board, I think the CIF-SS could rationalize this change.

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: There is no rationalizing. Any school with a 10 to 15 % increase or decrease was switching divisions anyway. The jump would have put them in a lower or higher division. They also put in their bylaws that there can be 40-49 schools in each division which covered any possible need for a sliding scale. Not many teams moved based on points and enrollment. Had they gone on last years scale there would have been plenty of cushion and everything would have been fine. No justification. Now every year we have to worry about where CIF wants to put the scale so teams wont have to move. Completely eliminates point total and enrollment calculation. Whats worse is to move the sliding scale so little (i.e 20 students) makes zero sense. More of a reason to keep Mater Dei and Brea apart since CIF makes so much money off MD and hosts many championships there.

Why are you so upset about this? Why would we want the 2 best teams in the state playing each other in sectionals? I wish they could be in different divisions for state as well. I want socal to be represented at the state level by the best teams, even if they move up in divisions. Why should we knock one of these teams out of state competition? Seems dumb to have the real state championship being played in the socal regionals rather than in the state finals.

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Comments: : : : : CIF moved teams this year by making a "sliding scale" for teams. They conveniently moved the criteria by 25 students so Mater Dei would fall into 3AA and miss Brea. Nowhere in the bluebook does it say they have a right to do this. Criteria for Divisions should be the same for a period of years. For example, last year Division 2A was 2274-2450. Mater Dei was at 2294. This year CIF moved it to 2294-2464 which put Mater Dei in 3AA. There was ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON FOR THEM TO CHANGE LAST YEARS SLIDING SCALE. It was to keep Brea and Mater Dei apart. If each year CIF can make their own "scale" then the point system and enrollment is all for nothing. They can manipulate the system to put teams where they want. RIDCULOUS. : : : This is odd because overall enrollments in the LAUSD schools are dropping. If enrollments were growing at a 10% rate across the board, I think the CIF-SS could rationalize this change. : : : : There is no rationalizing. Any school with a 10 to 15 % increase or decrease was switching divisions anyway. The jump would have put them in a lower or higher division. They also put in their bylaws that there can be 40-49 schools in each division which covered any possible need for a sliding scale. Not many teams moved based on points and enrollment. Had they gone on last years scale there would have been plenty of cushion and everything would have been fine. No justification. Now every year we have to worry about where CIF wants to put the scale so teams wont have to move. Completely eliminates point total and enrollment calculation. Whats worse is to move the sliding scale so little (i.e 20 students) makes zero sense. More of a reason to keep Mater Dei and Brea apart since CIF makes so much money off MD and hosts many championships there. : : Why are you so upset about this? Why would we want the 2 best teams in the state playing each other in sectionals? I wish they could be in different divisions for state as well. I want socal to be represented at the state level by the best teams, even if they move up in divisions. Why should we knock one of these teams out of state competition? Seems dumb to have the real state championship being played in the socal regionals rather than in the state finals.

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Comments:	: : : : CIF moved teams this year by making a "sliding scale" for teams. They conveniently moved the criteria by 25 students so Mater Dei would fall into 3AA and miss Brea. Nowhere in the bluebook does it say they have a right to do this. Criteria for Divisions should be the same for a period of years. For example, last year Division 2A was 2274-2450. Mater Dei was at 2294. This year CIF moved it to 2294-2464 which put Mater Dei in 3AA. There was ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON FOR THEM TO CHANGE LAST YEARS SLIDING SCALE. It was to keep Brea and Mater Dei apart. If each year CIF can make their own "scale" then the point system and enrollment is all for nothing. They can manipulate the system to put teams where they want. RIDCULOUS. : : : This is odd because overall enrollments in the LAUSD schools are dropping. If enrollments were growing at a 10% rate across the board, I think the CIF-SS could rationalize this change. : : : : There is no rationalizing. Any school with a 10 to 15 % increase or decrease was switching divisions anyway. The jump would have put them in a lower or higher division. They also put in their bylaws that there can be 40-49 schools in each division which covered any possible need for a sliding scale. Not many teams moved based on points and enrollment. Had they gone on last years scale there would have been plenty of cushion and everything would have been fine. No justification. Now every year we have to worry about where CIF wants to put the scale so teams wont have to move. Completely eliminates point total and enrollment calculation. Whats worse is to move the sliding scale so little (i.e 20 students) makes zero sense. More of a reason to keep Mater Dei and Brea apart since CIF makes so much money off MD and hosts many championships there. : : Why are you so upset about this? Why would we want the 2 best teams in the state playing each other in sectionals? I wish they could be in different divisions for state as well. I want socal to be represented at the state level by the best teams, even if they move up in divisions. Why should we knock one of these teams out of state competition? Seems dumb to have the real state championship being played in the socal regionals rather than in the state finals.

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