Posted by Valleyhoopsguy on September 22, 2019 at 19:54:56:
In Reply to: Re: Playing zone D in HS? Good or bad? posted by Caster Troy on September 20, 2019 at 17:25:44:
: : : : : : : : : : : You seem to believe that all high school coaches who play zone defense are lazy. That's a gross mischaracterization or assumption with no evidence provided to back that statement up.
: : : : : : : : : : You are not there in practice daily to see what goes on. How do you know that the coach in question doesn't teach all the correct man to man defensive principles? Perhaps the physical make-up of the team (long and slow, short but very quick, etc...) necessitates them playing zone to "even the odds".
: : : : : : : : : : There are so many different factors that occur in a high school basketball game that dictate to the coach that a zone is the best defense to win the game.
: : : : : : : : : : It's a very misguided "fake macho" argument to say that teams who play zone are poorly coached. There are a variety of different ways (totally within the rules of basketball) to defend teams on the court. If the point of the Varsity game is to win the game, then the coach should do whatever they need to (within the rules) with their personnel to achieve that goal.
: : : : : : : : : : And by the way... teaching zone defense is also a difficult thing to do. Different rotations versus different offensive fronts. How to shift on certain passes, how to play the offensive post players, seeing all the possible cuts in your area, not focusing on just one guy, etc...
: : : : : : : : : : The United States Mens National Basketball Team always seems to have trouble in national competitions (Olympics, FIBA World Cup) playing other nations teams who play a strong physical zone defense. We just finished in 7th place in the FIBA World Cup. Our superior athletes don't know how to attack a zone because they don't focus on that in AAU, or youth leagues.
: : : : : : : : : : I think both man and zone need to be taught. But on game day - you go with the best strategy and the best 5 guys to win the game. If its' man to man defense - great... if it's zone - great.
: : : : : : : : : Exactly. Well said. Jim Boeheim has done well playing zone. If you play it right, it's effective. The job of the coach,on top of player development and teach man defense, is to put team in best position to win. Based on personnel, it that means zone, so be it. Tell Syracuse National Championship team that they are weak. Saw a lot of zone in NCAA Tournament last year. More NBA teams are doing it now too. Whatever works. That guy says lazy coaches play zone, well how about the coaches that can't teach zone offense!?
: : : : : : : : The issue is the teaching. Yes, there are many coaches who are lazy and don't spend time teaching and just sit back in a bad zone. But, if you teach it right and have high expectations and accountability then it is a great defense to use. Some years I use it more than others, but I always spend time working and teaching it. A well run zone teaches the same principles as man, keep your man in front, rotate, closeout, etc...
: : : : : : : I like zone personally because I run a zone full court press and fall back into the zone after that. Also, I prefer a zone because it keeps my best rebounders near the rim and the appropriate rebounding areas. I teach man to man principles because they translate into a good zone defense. Guys gotta learn to be in help side defense away from the ball, see their man and the ball and this all translates to a zone too. By teaching a good zone and man to man I can also make defensive adjustments during the game which comes in handy. Another point, most kids in high school wonít play at the next level so what are we supposedly cheating them out of by running a zone? Their time to win games is in high school, and if the are good/lucky enough to play at the next level than good for them.
: : : : : : Very weak and lazy "take" to say that playing zone is the sign of a "lazy" coach. Also, I'd be wiling to bet that if the original poster's kid was playing on a team that lost every game and was playing man-man all game he'd be complaining that the coach doesn't know what he's doing and can't adjust based on the personnel on the team.
: : : : : : I'd agree that a FR team should be in man as a base defense. But if the Varsity runs zones, traps, presses, man, etc then the FR and the JV should learn a little bit of that stuff for the continuity of the program.
: : : : : : Just such a weak and lazy take.. bad job.
: : : : : All we do at La Habra is zone. It kills our guys when they try and play in college.
: : : : That was my original point (didn't know it'd get everyone so fired up!). I didn't call any coaches lazy - just asked if this is the best way to prepare kids to play beyond high school. I understand the idea that most kids won't play past HS so why not try to win now? So I guess the question is - are the coaches supposed to win in HS, or prepare their best players for basketball beyond HS?
: : : What basketball are you referring to beyond HS if they arenít playing college ball? Adult leagues? Playing at the park? Since you like asking so many questions, let me ask one. If a coach ran man D every year and had a losing record every year, would you automatically consider him a good coach just because he coaches man to man D?
: : Why the attitude, Caster Troy? :-)
: : To be clear, I NEVER said you shouldn't ever play zone D. I said it bothers me that some coaches ONLY play zone D.
: : And yes of course I meant college ball. And yes, I'd rather have my son - who has D1 college ambitions - coached man-to-man and lose every damn game, than sit back in a zone and win...but that's just my opinion. You're welcome to yours. Have a great weekend!
: Lol I donít have attitude! And I hope you have a great weekend too! Iím saying this nicely so your feelings donít continue to get hurt for some odd reason, but why donít you just transfer to another school who only plays man D? And if you do transfer and the new team is losing, you have no room to complain. Another thing, say your son and his team play man D all season but end up having a losing record and they are not competitive. How many D1 looks is he gonna get on a losing squad? IF your son, or any other kid is D1 material he will shine on offense and he will shine on defense no matter what the coach plays. Itís quite easy to tell a legit D1 kid from rest of the crop. I wish you and your son the best of luck!!
Thanks for the good wishes and I'll send them right back to you! Good taking basketball with you, even if we won't always agree!
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