Posted by coach on March 31, 2020 at 09:54:23:
In Reply to: Re: Opportune time for holdback? posted by Yo on March 29, 2020 at 23:10:26:
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : If I was a parent of a young 13 year old who is in the 8th grade, because of the school closures (which will probably stay until the end of school), this would be a great opportunity to hold back my child - they’ve missed most of their AAU schedule and training plus almost a third of their academic year. Why not repeat 8th grade, gain another year of both club play and academics while maturing more before high school? Sounds smart to me.
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : In order to get better you play up, not DOWN in competition. It amazes me these hold backs think they get better being a big fish in a little pond. It catches up to them by sophomore year.The only exception to holding back this year is start of next school year is postponed based on the virus.One will need to make that decision in May!
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : No guarantee that anything will be up and running again by fall as well. Things not looking too good, this may be last a lot longer than anyone wishes to accept. No precedent for any of this.
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : If I were a parent of a 13 year old, I would ask him what he wants and not make the decision for him. How would you like to be put into a class with people that aren't your friends. Parents treat it as if it is such a simple thing. They will adjust, no doubt, but the first year is hard. I know this from coaching numerous hold backs and talking to them about it.
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Easy to do this. Hold them back 2 years and have him be a 6’4 18 year old sophomore and then every private school will take him. Can’t hold your kid back a year and not change schools.
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Holding back your boy is ALWAYS the best athletic move. First off, they get the extra year of growth, they get to be the oldest, bigger and stronger compared to the other kids in their class, and as far as social issues, they may be upset about it for short time, but they will get over the initial stage, they will still keep all of their friends, make a bunch of new friends, and have all of the confidence and benefits of being the best athlete and oldest kid in their class. First to drive, mome mature, physically and mentally, and the confidence of being one of the top athletes. It goes a long way. The pros FAR OUTWEIGH the cons.
: : : : : : : : : : : : : : the last poster is a fool. Grades trump athletics every day. Maybe not for your welfare kid and yourself. Once again, you get better playing up, not down. If you hold back you are really stating to the man in the mirror you are just not good enough to play with your true age group. That is the bottom line. Get good grades and do something with your lives young people and do not let adults use you for their benefits.
: : : : : : : : : : : : : pros outweigh the cons period if you do it once< not twice. no argument
: : : : : : : : : : : : Parents who "hold back" their kid in order to improve the kid's chances of becoming a star are not good parents. They are sending the wrong message. In most cases, nothing positive results from doing this.
: : : : : : : : : : : that's because you didn't hold your child back and you're upset you didn't
: : : : : : : : : : : In response to the post that education trumps athletics, how does a son redoing eighth grade affect their education? They get to perfect all of the classes the had in eighth grade, like algebra and science..that can't hurt. And they are still going to take all of the same classes they were going to take if they weren't held back. IN FACT, if they were held back and did well their holdback year, those improved grades could help place them in higher level classes that they would not have had access to if they had not repeated eighth grade......oh yeah..and they will still be older, stronger, and better at sports that will help their confidence in life AND have better chance at succeeding in academics. Yeah..just shut down any argument against holding your son back a year.
: : : : : : : : : Oh yeah, and the statement about looking in the mirror and what a kid sees, he will see a kid who is excelling at sports, probably at academics too, who is confident in himself. Then, he will also be looking at a kid, his senior year, that may be getting ready to play sports in college with a scholarship instead of already being in college, paying. Yeah. Again, your argument is shut down.
: : : : : : : : Until he doesnt get PT his freshman year on varsity and dad transfers him to a school he wouldn't have needed that extra year to get PT anyway.
: : : : : : : The welfare posters above still do not get it. It would not matter if he got cut every year and played at the park. Education is what matters and he will have his engineer degree by age 23 and you will continue to collect government tax payer dollar welfare checks. Go hug your mom, she needs it.
: : : : : : : Nobody is saying Education is not the most important. What others are saying that you (29.5) are not understanding is that by reclassifying, a player can have a chance at playing college ball or getting better offers has he not reclassify. I coached 6 players from last year’s graduating class, all got a full scholarship to D1, D2 and NAIA schools. All 6 held back when they were in 8th grade. Two of them might not gotten an offer had they not held back.
: : : : : So you coached a freshman college team against high school. You guys better have won a championship or you are a terrible coach.
: : : : One argument I dont believe is the student will all of a sudden excel academically because he is held back. I used to teach in the middle school and had many of our "athletic" students repeat. The knuckleheads remained knuckleheads and still got D's/F's and parents didnt care because middle school grades mean nothing. The smart kids who were already A/B students became more of a behavioral issue because the classes/material didnt change and they already had learned everything.
: : : : I think my big takeaway is if you want to hold your kid back find a better way than having them literally do the same thing over again. Try a unique charter or art school that has different content.
: : : : Another option is if you arent ready after high school then attend a prep school for a transition year and play against real competition. If you cant hack it there then the JC route or the realization that not everyone is meant to be a basketball player is just fine.
: : : As far as the welfare statement, false. There’s plenty of holdbacks and double holdbacks from affluent families. When it comes to education, just do the research. So many students who are not athletes are held back as parents feel the extra year of maturity will give their kid a better chance at a Stanford, Vanderbilt, Ivy, etc. This has been going on for years. It’s not a huge advantage as so many athletes are doing it now. It’s only an advantage until about 11th grade where it evens out.
: : It evens out in 11th grade? The 18 year old junior becomes a 19 year old senior, playing against 16-17 year old juniors and 17-18 year old seniors? That extra year is huge when you're talking about being 19 from a maturity, emotional and physical standpoint. Aside from beating up on younger kids, I can't imagine how bored a 19 year old must be with sitting through high school at that age. The kids they grew up with are all gone off to college or working jobs, starting the next step of life while you're stuck at a school where there are still little kids (14 year old FR) walking around and you still have senior projects to do. Just odd. It's like a 16 year old who's still in 8th grade- you have nothing in common with the kids around you.
: Yes it evens out in high school. Show me a elite holdback playing high major D1 that wouldn’t have had the same schools a year earlier. I won’t mention the names but the ones that did would’ve gone anyway. And you’re acting as though only 1 kid per team is a holdback. And some I’ve these “bored” 19 year olds are not athletes but valedictorians. It’s naive to think only athletes are doing. If would be intersecting to see the data on how many holdbacks are getting schollys because they’re a year older. If that’s the reason they are going D1 then it would foolish not to.
I'm an on-campus coach/teacher. I have 2 sections of seniors (2 sections of sophs). 99% of my seniors are 17 and turn 18 at some point later during the school year. Very few are 18 at the start of the school year. The vast majority of my sophomores are 15 and will turn 16 at some point later during the school year. The kids we coach are almost exclusively 14 when they enter high school. Yeah, being 16 in 9th grade would make a huge difference. So let's not pretend that "everyone's doing it." They're simply just not.
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