Re: Florida State coach makes mistake !

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Posted by ? on March 31, 2018 at 13:02:27:

In Reply to: Re: Florida State coach makes mistake ! posted by Shooter on March 28, 2018 at 19:33:34:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : He did not call time out with 10 seconds to go !

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : He didn't have a timeout. His players gave up. They took wild off balance shots during the game, didn't get back on defense six times and got outscored 12-0 on fastbreaks. They weren't a team. They were a bunch of individuals. Michigan was a team. Florida State is going where they should be and that's back to Florida

: : : : : : : : : : : : : The mistake was not that he didn't call a timeout, it was that after missing that wild three point shot, there were still 15 seconds left on the clock when Michigan got the rebound. It was only a four point game and Michigan had just missed the front-end of a one-and-one. Michigan is one of the worst free-throw teams in all of NCAA basketball, shooting only 66% from the line. This season they ranked #321 of alll Division I teams in free throws, close to the bottom. So there was a very good statistical probability that they'd miss again and it would have at least given FSU a shot.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : But the coach didn't instruct his players to foul and you can see they just gave up.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : THAT was the mistake. It wasn't about not calling a timeout they didn't have, but instead about why they didn't foul.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : And the even bigger mistake is the fact that when asked about it after the game by CBS reporter Dana Jacobsen, the coach didn't even recognize what the reporter was asking, and he appeared stunned and befuddled, like he'd been at a different game than the one millions of fans had just witnessed.

: : : : : : : : : : : : : The "mistake" will be if the FSU admins keep him around...not because he didn't tell his players to foul, but because he didn't even think about what he was doing, other than just giving up at the end.

: : : : : : : : : : Are you kidding, they just went to the Elite 8. Sure he came off bad with that interview but they were not coming back. The guy with the ball was a 90% free throw shooter, down 2 possessions, no timeouts, and realistically no chance to win.

: : : : : : : : : Wrong. The guy "with the ball" (the one who got the rebound) was only a 67% FT shooter. At least a 1/3 chance he was going to miss, and then still time to get down and either hit a three or a two and then go for the steal. Instead the coach quit, and his players followed.

: : : : : : : : No no no, the players are on the court should already know, if they need a coach to yell at them and tell them with 15 seconds left to foul then the kids dont belong in the final four. Anyone that has played basketball knows the scenario, if these players dont know it then there basketball IQ is terrible. The coach cant foul.

: : : : : : : "the players...on the floor should already know"

: : : : : : : Right....because their COACH has properly coached them in tight, late-game situations. Players don't just "know". That's why there are coaches in the first place.

: : : : : : : And in this case, the coach didn't coach them. He let them do what they INSTINCTIVELY wanted to do, which was give up because they sensed they couldn't win. But a good coach would have motivated his players to NEVER give up, and he would have taught them how to overcome their instincts....and, if in the heat of the moment, they forgot what to do HE WOULD HAVE REMINDED THEM BY TELLING THEM TO FOUL.

: : : : : : These guys are not 10 year olds, most are over 20 and have been playing since they were toddlers. They have had tons of coaches and been in similar situations tons of times over there careers. They must of all had terrible high school coaches also and terrible Aau coaches. You must want us to fire all of these coaches also because they clearly didn't spend enough time teaching their players about miracles. Poor fools must of spent practice time working on fundamentals and skills that would actually make them better.

: : : : : He's a good coach. The game was over! h'es keeping his job! So, there is nothing to talk about

: : : : I disagree. When your head coach decides the game is over and doesn't even try to pull out a win, conceding the hopelessness of the situation, when it's not truly hopeless, there's something to talk about. When a coach doesn't believe, and then when interviewed doesn't even realize he committed a blunder at the end of the game, there's something to talk about.

: : : : His guys probably couldn't have pulled off the win. But with 15 seconds left, that's a lot of time, even without a timeout and that's what the fouling game is all about....playing the percentages that the other team, which is one of the worst free throw shooting teams in all of the NCAA, might miss and your team will get another chance at a shot.

: : : : But the coach concluded it was done, game over. And so it was. And that's something to talk about.

: : : ITK... you can disagree, its your right. Hes a good coach. They had a great season. Hes gonna keep his job. So.....?

: : He is keeping his job, he is a good coach. Again this isnt the NBA where you can take a timeout, advance it to halfcourt, and score in 1 or 2 seconds each possession. This is college where you have to go the length of the court every time and they were down 2 possessions with no timeouts and their player just took one of the dumbest, selfish, ball hog, i want to be the hero shots.

: Man....thank God Jim Valvano didn't think that way in the '83 NCAA's. NC State had several games where they were fouling at the end and the other team choked, starting with Pepperdine in the first round. Dane Suttle, a 90 percent plus foul-shooter, blew several free throws at the end. 90 percent plus....still choked. But hey, you guys are right. Hamilton's a great coach. Let's not get into the concept that a Coach should always teach players to never give up. That would just make too much sense....

That is not even close to the same situation. State was fouling in the 1st overtime of thtat game for about the last minute without the shot clock and they were within 2 points with about 20 seconds left to tie the game. Every team in the world fouls down 2 points in that situation. They werent down 4 with 12 seconds. They didnt have a miracle comeback. There is a complete difference between the Choke jobs you are describing and what would have been needed to happen for Florida State to win. It was not a 1 possession game, it was not a minute left in the game down 4 or even 30 seconds. It was a Loss and thats okay because everybody loses even UCONN women loss.

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