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Posted by Lakers Fan on February 08, 2018 at 12:01:38:

In Reply to: Re: Josh Hart is better than Alonzo Ball posted by NWA on February 08, 2018 at 09:31:51:

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : Hart is better. Way better shooter , better rebounder yes ,way better defender. Sick of Balls game . NCAA champion at Villanova was Hart.

: : : : : : : : : : : : No more drama, no more watching that disgusting shot, no more bad body language, and hello wins!
: : : : : : : : : : : : Jason Hart..solid,takes care of ball. 14 points 11 rebs. No ego, no drama, team guy, 4 years of college, smart/intelligent kid. Him and Clarkson run show. Lakers did it with Fisher. Not a phenomenol talent, but he was a team guy with great players around him. Trade Lonzo and get wing guys around Hart and Clarkson. A real TEAM.

: : : : : : : : : : : Can you imagine if they trade Lonzo for a good wing? Improve the team. Jimmy Butler, Bradely Beal,or someone like that. A scorer for Lonzo. Hart can just be a 6'6 Derek Fisher-like. Solid defender, run team, reboudnd, knock down a few shots, take care of ball. Better team.
: : : : : : : : : : : I HATE his aloof attitude, and terrible body language. It's all about me. You really think he did not inherit 1 gene from his myopic,self-centered dad? Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

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: : : : : : : : : : If he's so awful, why don't we just ask for the whole Warriors team for him? Throw in some D-Leaguers and maybe the Bucks send us Greek Freak.

: : : : : : : : : : Your thread sucks. Mods please delete

: : : : : : : : : Wow,how informative and insighful. "Your thread sucks dude. Delete it dude."

: : : : : : : : You are bashing Lonzo, saying he sucks, then turn around and suggest to trade him for a superstar. Please explain the logic.

: : : : : : : : And you said Hart runs the team, despite Brandon Ingram running point in the starting lineup and Clarkson doing so off the bench. Hart is off ball, he may guard the pg but he is not the pg. This thread is a black eye for sapient Lakers fans everywhere.

: : : : : : : Bottom line is Clarkson, Ingraham, and Clarkson on the court together any can be the "point". As far as bashing Lonzo and wanting a superstar..There are plenty out there (GM's) that don't agree with me and WILL trade a superstar. Sucker born every minute as they say. I'm not stupid enough to believe that they'd do it straight up, Lakers would have to give up maybe Randle and Nance or a pick. But so be it..Lonzo gone equals chemistry better, dad gone, drama gone, ugly shot gone, no defense gone. You can another Lonzo Ball in the draft or via free agency. You seriously think he's that special and irreplacable? Nobody..and I mean NOBODY..on that Lakers team is irreplaceable. Kuzma about the closest thing. Bright future. A good passing, bad shooting, non-defending point guard are a dime a dozen(and come without daddies).

: : : : : : Sorry typo..Ingraham, Clarkson, and Hart. I put Clarkson twice.

: : : : : Dribbling the ball up the floor doesn't count as running point. Hart doesn't initiate plays, watch more film. Ingram, Clarkson, Randle, and even Caruso create more than Hart.

: : : : : Rookies generally do not get traded during their rookie year, even putting one on the block mid-season would signal a red flag to the league. There aren't many GMs dumb enough to take what the Lakers would offer for a superstar. Any GMs dumb enough have already traded their superstars.

: : : : : I WOULD trade Zo for the right deal in theory, but the Lakers just don't have the assets right now. Randle has little trade value because he is entering restricted free agency, and GMs around the league are figuring the Lakers will want to chase big names rather than match any offer sheet for Julius. No extension has been negotiated and the Lakers have yet to extend a qualifying offer.

: : : : : Throw in a pick you say? The earliest pick the Lakers could send right now is the 2020 1st rounder. That's too far ahead and possibly not a lottery pick. The Lakers cannot trade their 2019 pick until draft day in 2019 per the Stepien rule. The 2018 pick belongs to Philly or Boston depending on where it lands. The Lakers have the Nuggets' second round pick in this year's draft.

: : : : : People are waayyyy too hung up on his daddy. ESPN barely invites him on the air anymore and the Lakers as an organization do not care at all what he says. Lavar Ball is not a respected basketball mind. He is a trainer and promoter and he is very good at that.

: : : : : The Lakers will be just fine when Lonzo returns.

: : : : You make some very good and valid points. Especially about picks, and contracts. As a Coach myself, I am big on chemistry. I watch very closely to his body language and attitude on the bench. It is terrible. Does not acknowledge teammates as they come off floor(no high fives,etc), does not look at teammates when they talk to him on bench or time out. He is not used to being talked to about basketball by anybody else than his dad. The players may say the "like" him, as a person I'm sure he is a nice 19 year old kid off the court. I will say it again, nobody inherits o% of one of the parents genes. You are not just your mom, or just your dad. You get both. He has his dad in him. Myopic, self-centered,self-absorbed attitude. Just not as outlandish or outgoing or over the top. It is subdued version of his dad. As a huge Lakers fan for my entire life I have seen it all. They had some talented guys in the day who had bad attitudes (Nick Van Exel-Cancun on 3!, Cedric Ceballos Lake Havasu trip). Lonzo is immature (I know he's 19-20), but he is also who he is. It is in the genes..trust me. It will all come out.

: : : They got rid of Ceballos and Van Exel and the rest is history,got good pieces. Got Derek Fisher,less talent than Van Exel, but team guy. Do the same with Lonzo..

: : :Get rid of Ball and his dad !
: :SMH

Welll...someone got their wish, Lonzo will be moving to the bench if IT gets his way. If reports out of Cleveland are true, we are all about to witness an actual team cancer. His conditioning is gone, and hip injuries are the death knell of speedy, undersized guards. And his defense makes Lonzo look like Gary Payton, Sr.

Back to Zo, I want to believe kids can grow up to be different and improved versions of their parents, and that Lavar's sideshow is just a put-on and a product of bad upbringing, but only the coaches and people in the Lakers facility really know how he interacts with teammates.

Lonzo seems to be getting along with teammates (though he gets into it with Kuzma on Instagram, it seems to motivate them both). He's displayed poor body language after that Philly loss, but last I remember, he was a valuable contributor to a four game winning streak before the injury.

A panic trade is not what we need, NVE was shipped out for Battie who was cut, and Lue whose biggest game was a loss in Game 1 vs Philly (barely played rest of series, contrary to the myth). Wait at least until the draft, The Lakers are no longer bound by the Stepien rule after today's trade netted a 1st round pick.


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