Posted by g on January 26, 2018 at 14:34:33:
In Reply to: Re: CIF posted by question..... on January 26, 2018 at 13:16:54:
: : : : : : : : There are a couple of teams that are ranked in there playoff divisionsbut may not finish in the top of there leavue and may not be 500 or better. Do you think CIF could change the Rule before Playoffs?
: : : : : : : No, you'd have better luck getting a clerk at the DMV to change the name/age on your driver's license
: : : : : : SCIBCA is apparently trying to get CIFSS to change the rule, but at the top levels they're against it. The 500 rule screws up non-league and tournament scheduling- especially if you have a team in a tough league. More tournaments are "dis-inviting" teams because a lot of coaches know they need to go 2-2 or 3-1 in each tournament to have a chance at 500. Go to an event and get a bad draw and you put that at-risk. Before the 500 rule, you could go and test yourself and not worry so much about it.
: : : : : and this is whats wrong
: : : : : everyone doesnt deserve a trophy. If teams have to play in crap tournaments, to even qualify for playoffs, guess what, THEY werent going to WIN a title anyhow. So what another team gets to go into playoffs and lose instead. Maybe if these teams took those Ls in tournamens against better teams, they would win more league games, and finish top 3 and qualify.
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: : : : While what you say sounds good in theory (and I am not an "everyone gets a trophy" guy), the bottom line is coaches are really only worried about keeping their job or getting a better one.
: : : : Playing better comp and losing and not making the playoffs will not achieve either of those goals.
: : : : To go along with that, the "power points" formula for division placement is also greatly affecting scheduling.
: : : I question whether any of this really is affecting scheduling. I thought about the .500 rule when making my schedule this year, but my concern is not to make the playoffs, but to win league. So only teams that are not going to try and compete for a league championship would try and schedule down because they place a playoff appearance on a pedestal. If I can't finish in the top 3 in my league, then I don't think I should be in the playoffs. So, the only way to be good enough to be in the top 3 is to schedule up in the offseason. I screwed myself this year and we didn't perform as well as I had hoped, so the .500 record now comes into play, but again, if I can't finish top 3 in league, then I shouldn't be in the postseason.
: : Coach- I am one too and I assume you do not play in a very good league. Teams in good to very good leagues can win several games in their designated divisions and sometimes win in all. Is it their fault they play in a top private or public school league with less student population or 2-3 high end teams that make it very hard to finish top 3.
: : You have a team like Notre Dame that was 12-1 entering league and now are 0-7 in League on their way to maybe 1-11 to finish 13-12. Do they make the playoffs?
No, we play in a good league, and we are a good team. But I would not schedule a weak nonleague in order to have enough wins just in case I don't get a top 3 finish. I think we are a top 8 team in our division, but you don't hang playoff victory banners in the gym unless you win 5 in a row.
I get your point though, but we are talking about a very small group of schools in the position where the #4 or #5 team in a league is good enough to make a deep run in the playoffs. But, I guess it matters what you emphasize as your goal for the season. Scheduling weak teams during nonleague will not prepare you for a challenging league. My schedule was crafted to play teams on par or better than what we would face in league, which in turn would help us in the playoffs if we did what we were supposed to do in league. But overall, I don't think the rule is needed, but it doesn't affect how I would schedule.
To answer the Notre Dame question, it depends upon CIF's selection committee, but they'd be eligible.
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