Re: frosh/soph scrimmage games.

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Posted by Coach on January 12, 2018 at 08:01:54:

In Reply to: Re: frosh/soph scrimmage games. posted by CIF Gold Book/Blue Book/State CIF Bylaws on January 12, 2018 at 00:03:29:

: : : That would be a CIF violation to scrimmage at this point of the season.

: : No, it would not be a CIF violation. There is no rule that limits when a non- varsity level team can conduct a scrimmage (which is, by definition not a "contest" as the.latter term is defined and used in the bylaws). There is a 20-game limit to "contests" (actual interscholastic games played in regulation time, with scorekeeping, refs, etc), but scrimmages are none of those things. The person posting asked about frosh/soph, for which no real standings are kept, no playoffs are held, and no league titles won or lost. They can pretty much do as they please with almost complete impunity at that level. So no violation for conducting a scrimmage, which is in reality a teaching opportunity for two or more participating froh/soph level progams to hold a joint, glorified practice that, at best, SIMULATES, but is NOT a game.

: While the previous poster got the sense of scrimmages correctly (that they are considered practices and not a game), the statement that a scrimmage would not be a violation is WRONG.

: Since the coach asking the question has identified himself (or herself) as a coach in LA City Section, and assuming the f-s team he or she coaches has already played an official "game", then scrimmages are no longer allowable.

: Take a look at CIF Bylaw 1314 which governs scrimmages at all levels, and which is applicable to ever CIF section, including LA City:


: Scrimmages are defined as competition between two or more schools, initiated for the purpose of practice, where no score is kept, officials may be used by the school but not paid, and coaches are allowed to be on the field of play.
: Scrimmages may be scheduled for any sport and must follow the guidelines below, unless otherwise indicated.

: A. Scheduling the Scrimmage

: A school may choose to have one scrimmage in each sport, with any and all expenses incurred, including transportation, to be borne by the schools involved. One scrimmage contest each is allowed for each level (varsity vs. varsity, junior varsity vs. junior varsity, soph. vs. soph., and frosh vs. frosh, where applicable), to be scheduled on the same day. Teams may opt to play a four way scrimmage on the same day. The total duration of the scrimmage may not exceed two and one half hours in length.

: B. Rules

: A scrimmage can only take place from the first day of allowable practice until the teamís first official game, which can be a tournament or a non-league contest. Game rules for each sport will apply. Supervision of the scrimmage
: is to be arranged by the participating schools. Athletic Directors, in conjunction with coaches, are responsible for scheduling the scrimmage, as well as coordinating all other arrangements.

: There's your answer. No scrimmage if the team (at any level) has already played at least one official game against another school, either a single game or in a tournament.

: Sorry.

: But that's not the end of the story. In LA City Section, the coach might want to take a look at CIF Bylaw 502, regarding competition against non-CIF schools, including allowable practices against even "club" teams (consisting of players from a school that does not field any teams in a particular sport). It's a long-shot, and the rules are very demanding in order to qualify for such non-CIF competition or practice, but if you follow the steps it might work. Good luck though, because by the time you jump through all the hoops required by Rule 502, the season will be over.

Or he just sets up a few scrimmages because nobody cares about some frosh scrimmage games in LA to worry about reporting and let alone CIF actually giving 2 cents and his players get some more experience

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