Posted by High School Coach on November 21, 2017 at 10:03:46:
In Reply to: Re: Pay to Play (Calabasas High School) posted by truth on November 21, 2017 at 05:32:47:
: : : : : : : : : : : My wife was speaking to a fellow parent and she had told my wife about being charged $2500 for the season for her son to play basketball. My questions:
: : : : : : : : : : : 1) are public schools allowed to charge that kind of money to play?
: : : : : : : : : : : 2) does anyone else do this?
: : : : : : : : : : : 3) if there are 4 teams with 15 kids , 60*2500 = 150k where does that go?
: : : : : : : : : : : I am only asking because we have a child in middle school and want to see what we have in store.
: : : : : : : : : : : Thank you
: : : : : : : : : : They really can't make anyone pay anything. ACLU lawsuit took care of that.
: : : : : : : : : : Where's the money go? Depends. If the school gives $0 to the basketball program, then a good chunk of it is operational. For instance, they may only give 1 stipend to the head coach and they may say that you have to raise the money for the rest of the staff. Most district stipends are $3-4000. Depending how many are on staff will be a factor. I'd imagine at a place like Calabasas, you'd have 2-3 coaches per level and have 3-4 levels.. so around 12 coaches x $3000 = $36000. If athletics doesn't cover transportation or officials or entry fees, you figure $450/tournament (3 each x 4 levels), $73/ref per varsity game (x2) and $65/ref for lower levels (x2) for however many home games. Transportation will run $500-1000 per trip depending on distance and time. So the FR "B" team goes to a 4-game tournament, it costs $2000-4000 for the week to get a bus for the week and they do it 3 times/season.. I'm assuming Calabasas doesn't keep same uniforms for more than 1 season, so you can figure $100/set per kid for uniforms ($200/kid minimum). They probably hire a strength coach (or two). They probably spend $2000 on first aide (tape is $100 box for example). If the head coach is good/has a name, he probably has it OK'd to take an additional amount aside from his $3500 district stipend. They'll have a photographer and a video guy. They'll pay for their Fall and Spring leagues as well. The varsity will probably travel at Christmas, so you'll have 4-5 nights of hotels for coaches (3-4 coaches on varsity) and if they charge the varsity for the trip, it's probably a discounted amount due to amount "donated" to the program. Not sure if spirit pack/shoes is part of the $2500, but that's probably a piece of it (figure on $300/kid at least).
: : : : : : : : : : At any rate, it doesn't add up to $150K, but no one is getting rich.
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: : : : : : : : : $2500 for year round basketball ain't bad! Cost of winning
: : : : : : : : : Fall-Winter-Spring-Summer (75 games at least...100 practices a year) coaches working all year round... Spirit pack (shoes, shirts, practice uniform, sweatsuits)
: : : : : : : : : You'll appreciate the programs who care enough to go year round. Impossible to be relevant if they do not...
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: : : : : : : : There is no need for that kind of "donation"/"fund raising". And no, that amount does not include the spirit pack which I think is another $400.
: : : : : : : : No way you can tell me Calabasas doesn't fund their teams to a certain level. Do they still need to "fund raise" for things like spring/summer/fall leagues? Probably. That's what snack shacks, candy sales, free throw-a-thons, etc. are for.
: : : : : : : : Most of this goes to giving money to coaches, and I would suspect this is also why they have basically two frosh/soph teams. More players = more cash.
: : : : : : : : And don't forget, with the previous coach, there was a club program he ran that you basically had to play in to play at the school.
: : : : : : : : And I'm not picking on Calabasas - I'm sure plenty of other schools do similar things.
: : : : : : : : With all the waste in the various school districts, this will become more and more the norm for public schools. And with AAU and travel teams getting more expensive and more important for exposure, eventually high school sports are going to really suffer (much as they do in soccer now, where many top players don't play high school they only play for their club/academy).
: : : : : : : I think on average most programs are $500-1000 spirit pack per player. Calabasas probably has top of the line gear, new bballs, scoreboards, etc etc etc every year. The area is known for well off families, so they are happy to pay to look good and play good.
: : : : : : Let's be honest about it- it's Calabasas. They drive $100K cars and live in $3mill houses. $2500 to those families is like $200 in a regular neighborhood school.
: : : : : : Another piece is that if they're asking/requiring $2500, they probably include that in their fundraising- so Bobby has to come up with $2500. They probably have a Christmas tree sale, sell banners in the gym, have a ridiculous media guide full of ads, etc. So Bobby sells a banner, a media guide ad, and a few Christmas trees and he's going to be relatively close to that $2500..
: : : : : : As for district funding, a ton of districts give nothing to their programs for anything. A district like Huntington Beach gives almost nothing- it's all fundraised/donated/contributed. In other districts (usually in lower-income areas) there is money for athletics to cover transportation, officials, rotating uniform purchases, basic equipment. Those kids will wear the same uniforms for 5 years and they'll get 6 new TF-1000s a year as a program, and never travel.
: : : : : $2500/player budget is pretty high, unless it is the cost for the whole year(including summer). Most high school programs that are in "decent" socioeconomic areas have budgets in the $30k-$50k range. I'm a public head coach in an affluent area and between summer and school year, I think we're around $1000-$1200 budget/player. This does not include any spirit pack. That runs about an additional $250. So $2500 is quite a bit. Everything we have is top of the line, so my guess is the extra goes to travel costs and/or coaches stipends.
: : : : We must have the most reasonable HS in the area. We pay approximately $600 for the entire year!!! Yes they wear the same uniforms as previous years and they don't go to tournaments out of our immediate area during the season.
: : : Wake Up! This is what happens when liberals run the state and give to the minority screwing the USA Citizens. Hey, I am just winning friends and influencing people but it is true. I am many races so FU with stating I am racist in advance. If you went to my family gatherings we have every race...period!
: : : Back to the point.....I graduated from Calabasas in the 80's. We did not pay one penny. You are paying now because the state of Confusion is paying a minority of let say 5 million illegals in the state to over 33 million USA Citizens......ALSO, the CA Lottery, OH YA, when that first came out over 35% was to go the the schools in CA........freaking state government rips us off daily and you like cattle take it and are willing to pay to play. What is wrong with you people.
: : : DO you pay to play college ball. NO. They are selling you a bill of goods and you take it hook, line and sinker. Happy daze to you!
: : I'm on the side of the coaches 100%.. parents you drive and drop off your son 5 or 6 days a week for practice.... well that coach is there for the next (90-120 min) coaching your son and the other 11 guys.
: : If a program requires for $2500 for the year so it can pay coaches more than there 2k avg stipend a year (Yes the whole year) then that's great!!
: : Maybe the coach gets 6K for the hours and hours they spend with your son.. worth the investment.. COACHES STILL GETTING SCREWED
: yes, correct, but you forgot one thing. Coach is usually there 30-60 min before AND after practice. So 90-120 min is really closer to 240 min + travel. A 2hr morning practice costs the coach his WHOLE morning. But, i guess they'll say it should be for the love..
I'm a high school head coach at an upper middle class high school. We ask for $150 for the summer and $70 for practice gear (it's nice and make $0 on it) for that you get two practices per week and about 25 games. This year first time ever asked for $50 for fall. Got 8 games and an off site preseason conditioning program (think version of crossfit) 2X a week for 8 weeks and 2 practices a week. Regular season ask for $150 donation to pay expenses. We get 3 stipends from district for the entire program. We run one lower level tournament, one summer kids camp, and get "corporate sponsors" $350 each. I refuse to pay for transportation because it's a complete rip off. We pay for all our coaches expenses in the summer and fall (gas, food, hotels etc). In season stipends are $2500 for assistants a little more for head coaches. Spirit Pack will run anywhere from $100-$350 depending upon how much of it they buy. We have more than enough money to run our program!
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