Re: Pay to Play (Calabasas High School)

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Posted by truth on November 20, 2017 at 11:18:59:

In Reply to: Re: Pay to Play (Calabasas High School) posted by My 2 Cents on November 20, 2017 at 09:27:26:

: : : : : My wife was speaking to a fellow parent and she had told my wife about being charged $2500 for the season for her son to play basketball. My questions:

: : : : : 1) are public schools allowed to charge that kind of money to play?
: : : : : 2) does anyone else do this?
: : : : : 3) if there are 4 teams with 15 kids , 60*2500 = 150k where does that go?

: : : : : I am only asking because we have a child in middle school and want to see what we have in store.

: : : : : Thank you

: : : : They really can't make anyone pay anything. ACLU lawsuit took care of that.
: : : : Where's the money go? Depends. If the school gives $0 to the basketball program, then a good chunk of it is operational. For instance, they may only give 1 stipend to the head coach and they may say that you have to raise the money for the rest of the staff. Most district stipends are $3-4000. Depending how many are on staff will be a factor. I'd imagine at a place like Calabasas, you'd have 2-3 coaches per level and have 3-4 levels.. so around 12 coaches x $3000 = $36000. If athletics doesn't cover transportation or officials or entry fees, you figure $450/tournament (3 each x 4 levels), $73/ref per varsity game (x2) and $65/ref for lower levels (x2) for however many home games. Transportation will run $500-1000 per trip depending on distance and time. So the FR "B" team goes to a 4-game tournament, it costs $2000-4000 for the week to get a bus for the week and they do it 3 times/season.. I'm assuming Calabasas doesn't keep same uniforms for more than 1 season, so you can figure $100/set per kid for uniforms ($200/kid minimum). They probably hire a strength coach (or two). They probably spend $2000 on first aide (tape is $100 box for example). If the head coach is good/has a name, he probably has it OK'd to take an additional amount aside from his $3500 district stipend. They'll have a photographer and a video guy. They'll pay for their Fall and Spring leagues as well. The varsity will probably travel at Christmas, so you'll have 4-5 nights of hotels for coaches (3-4 coaches on varsity) and if they charge the varsity for the trip, it's probably a discounted amount due to amount "donated" to the program. Not sure if spirit pack/shoes is part of the $2500, but that's probably a piece of it (figure on $300/kid at least).
: : : : At any rate, it doesn't add up to $150K, but no one is getting rich.

: : :
: : : $2500 for year round basketball ain't bad! Cost of winning

: : : Fall-Winter-Spring-Summer (75 games at least...100 practices a year) coaches working all year round... Spirit pack (shoes, shirts, practice uniform, sweatsuits)

: : : You'll appreciate the programs who care enough to go year round. Impossible to be relevant if they do not...

: : There is no need for that kind of "donation"/"fund raising". And no, that amount does not include the spirit pack which I think is another $400.

: : No way you can tell me Calabasas doesn't fund their teams to a certain level. Do they still need to "fund raise" for things like spring/summer/fall leagues? Probably. That's what snack shacks, candy sales, free throw-a-thons, etc. are for.

: : Most of this goes to giving money to coaches, and I would suspect this is also why they have basically two frosh/soph teams. More players = more cash.

: : And don't forget, with the previous coach, there was a club program he ran that you basically had to play in to play at the school.

: : And I'm not picking on Calabasas - I'm sure plenty of other schools do similar things.

: : With all the waste in the various school districts, this will become more and more the norm for public schools. And with AAU and travel teams getting more expensive and more important for exposure, eventually high school sports are going to really suffer (much as they do in soccer now, where many top players don't play high school they only play for their club/academy).

: I think on average most programs are $500-1000 spirit pack per player. Calabasas probably has top of the line gear, new bballs, scoreboards, etc etc etc every year. The area is known for well off families, so they are happy to pay to look good and play good.

Let's be honest about it- it's Calabasas. They drive $100K cars and live in $3mill houses. $2500 to those families is like $200 in a regular neighborhood school.
Another piece is that if they're asking/requiring $2500, they probably include that in their fundraising- so Bobby has to come up with $2500. They probably have a Christmas tree sale, sell banners in the gym, have a ridiculous media guide full of ads, etc. So Bobby sells a banner, a media guide ad, and a few Christmas trees and he's going to be relatively close to that $2500..

As for district funding, a ton of districts give nothing to their programs for anything. A district like Huntington Beach gives almost nothing- it's all fundraised/donated/contributed. In other districts (usually in lower-income areas) there is money for athletics to cover transportation, officials, rotating uniform purchases, basic equipment. Those kids will wear the same uniforms for 5 years and they'll get 6 new TF-1000s a year as a program, and never travel.

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