Re: OC TOP 10


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Posted by Mr. Tissue on October 14, 2017 at 07:27:09:

In Reply to: Re: OC TOP 10 posted by Engineer on October 13, 2017 at 08:06:11:

: : : : The way I see it, the schools that regularly recruit and do it well will end up in the Open or 1AA division and play against the best talent anyway. The ones that don't will remain at the lower levels and play against similar teams. So divisional rankings even at the small OC level makes sense. Let me give it a try. This is simply based on the last two years and based on CIFSS scoring - as imperfect as it may be at the moment, it is better than how it was previously IMHO.

: : : : : Open / D-1
: : : : : 1) Mater Dei -43
: : : : : 2) Santa Marg - 36
: : : : : 3) Esperanza - 29
: : : : : 4) O Lu - 28
: : : : : 5) Edison - 28
: : : : : 6) Los Al - 27
: : : : : 7) J serra - 26
: : : : : 8) Villa Park - 24

: : : : : D-2AA

: : : : : 1)Sonora - 23
: : : : : 2)Corona del Mar - 22.98
: : : : : 3)Capistrano Valley - 22.94
: : : : : 4)El Toro - 22.93
: : : : : 5)Buena Park - 21.8
: : : : : 6)San Clemente - 21.6
: : : : : 7)Servite - 21.5
: : : : : 8)HB - 21.1
: : : : : 9)Northwood - 20.9
: : : : : 10) Aliso Niguel -20.8
: : : : : 11) Canyon - 20.7

: : : : : D2-A

: : : : : 1) Cypress - 19.8
: : : : : 2) Trabuco Hills - 19.3
: : : : : 3) Foothill - 19
: : : : : 4) Newport harbor - 18.8
: : : : : 5) Yorba Linda - 18.7
: : : : : 6) Tesoro - 18.6

: : :
: : : : The problem with only looking back at past performance is you miss out on the graduation factor. For example Sonora, Esperanza, Buena Park lost significant pieces to graduation and will not be as good as they were the last couple of years.

: : : I agree 100%. It would be great if beside the weightings for (33%) second to last, and (66%) for last year, there was some weighting attributed to the current year - maybe from results of a pre-season tournament or Fall league. This would take into account the strength of the current team. I agree that teams like Esperanza (losing KZ and other seniors) would likely not have the season they had last year. I could also see Edison and Los Al being ranked lower than J Serra and Villa Park (Who both got impact transfers!) this year. Crean Lutheran is also a team that is in a much lower Division then their current team deserves.
: : : In a nutshell, transfers make a big difference and somehow this should be reflected in the rankings and Division placements. Maybe a 20%, 30% and 50% for the last two years plus the largest weighting for the current team make up? What do y'all think?

: : I disagree 100%. Cry babies cry. Team wins CIF or state and now freaking complains about placement? One can only base information on past performances not predictions. For all of the private schools shut up because you can and do recruit. For the public schools your high school coaches lead feeder programs to your high schools and when you win you complain the following year you can not compete with the big boys. I love it when back door politics come back and bite you in the ass.

: : Speaking of feeder programs. You can try to develop and teach the game but when your teams are always playing in the BRONZE division you are selling the parents a bill of goods. Obviously you can not develop if you continue each and every year to play in Bronze level tournaments. Check out Exposure Basketball for documentation. Also, club teams need good coaches, not dads or wanna be coaches. My rec team beats well known club teams.

: : Freaking babies you are. Win and complain. Lose and complain. Develop your local kids and you will be successful or find a guy that can develop and move forward.

: I think the last two posts have a bone to pick with a specific team or parent coach. You are missing the point. Basing your placement on your performance on Fall league or pre-season tournament is absolutely basing it on past performance. It happens to be the best indicator of where your current team belongs, regardless of whether they have developed it from feeder program or suddenly found a 7" player from Sudan in your roster. I, for one would welcome the idea of playing teams that belong in my division instead of just walking over everyone for the sake of being called a CIF champ.

Engineer can see micro, not macro. Do you really think CIF has the funds to do what you are suggesting? What a joke. Is not the point to play the game to win? Of course it is. When you finally win, you cry about seeding. Seems like you are the one that is trying to keep your school on top to move them down and not up. My issue is only with idiots.


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