Posted by Comments on January 16, 2017 at 11:44:43:
In Reply to: Re: Private vs Public, Why go private? posted by Curious on January 16, 2017 at 10:55:29:
: : : : : : Right now I'm at my Sunday morning old man basketball full court games. You're wondering what type of game that I have at my age? I'm Supersonics' Detlef Schrempf. Not only because of race but because of my silky smooth mid range, threat from three, yet scrappy foreign lowpost game. After hitting the game winner I yelled that Jack Pollon needs to cover our sweaty old man games. Then a guy said that Jack put out a tweet saying that Valley Christian in Cerritos should be in the open division because they beat Heritage Christian and Village Christian. I thought that it was one of his unfunny jokes so I ignored it. At least he wasn't trying to sell us on the nepotistic Oak Park basketball scene again. But it opened up a GREAT discussion. A dad/coach/victim-of-my-high-knee-fadeaway gave a passionate debate about private vs public schools, why parents chase the lies of private schools rather than save money with public and that private school coaches are typically more crooked than public etc.
: : : : : : We, the larger SoCal hoops community, should take credit for Chaminade not playing daddy ball this year. We put eyes on a developing problem. They had to let Palarz coach players based on what they can do and not who their dad is. We, got on Winward a little late but they now have to recognize that changing a coach every 6 months isn't good, not fair to the kids, and parents shouldn't be able to commandeer a school team. By the way. Most of the private schools don't offer better academics than most public schools.
: : : : : : What I'm getting at is, why go private? Why deal with all of the fakery and nonsense of a private school? I understand wanting the Harvard Westlake's, Rebibo is a great coach with great hair. Anyone else feel like there's a group chat of moms calling themselves "Dave's Damsels"? Daniel Boatwright just left Village Christian. Wasn't Canoga better? The academics is better and he spent a whole year at Canoga and only a few months at Village.
: : : : : : Is the jig up for schools like Winward, that change coaches to appease Dustin's mom or Village Christian who has, possibly the worst coaching that I've ever seen, on a 10 year contract? When the sport is less or equal to public, why go private? Pasadena is way better than Marthana.
: : : : : : Thoughts?
: : : : : I think you missed something in your well written post. Pick you school for education not hoops. I have found that in my case , my sons excelled in college and after due directly to good parenting and a private school education. That's why I would recommend a private school .
: : : : Choose a school for everything. If your kid plays an instrument you'd look at the music program. We keep giving bad sport situations & coaching an excuse by blaming parents for choosing a school or leaving school because of sports. Why? If my kid went to Chino hills because I didn't know the situation I'd want to transfer once I saw that craziness. I'd want my kid to have a chance to play based on what he can or can't do. Same thing in the classroom. I know families that went to Buckley & it's a bad hoops spot & it's a keeping up with the Jones feel there. Maybe some families like rubbing shoulders with those folks. Idk but Taft & Alemany are the same in academics & court. Taft costs less. Lol.
: : : Why is Buckley a "bad hoops spot?" Just a few years ago, they were a solid and upcoming program, going to the CIF finals several times. What, in your opinion, has changed? I know they lost a few players (to transfers and to graduation), but they still have the same coach, who I've heard is solid. Other than the cost and what you call a "keeping up with the Jones feel there" what makes it a "bad hoops spot"?
: : The weak league and the snobbish, entitled atmosphere at the school. A coach can't change that.
: I think it's ironic that when comparing schools and looking at the culture (ex, snobbish, etc.) that Buckley comes in for that kind of criticism. Have you ever been to a Harvard-Westlake game and listened to their student section taunt opposing teams with chants of "You will pump our gas" or "You will work for us"?
: And to the poster who compared academics claiming that HW and Viewpoint are the pinnacle of academic achievement in the SFV, I would disagree. The Cleveland HS magnet program probably has as many kids going to Ivy League schools as HW does in any one year. And percentage=wise, virtually every private HS in the area has literally a 100% acceptance rate to the top four-year colleges and universities in the country.
: The main difference as I see it between private and public is that in private the class sizes are smaller, allowing for more individualized focus on each student, and the drop-out rate is literally 0% (compared with about 30% at LAUSD schools in the Valley). This drop out rate affects the culture, affects social interaction between students, between faculty and students, and affects (in many cases adversely) the overall educational experience students receive.
: As for leagues, competition and coaches, they are what they are.
A magnet program at a school may yield great results - for that subject. You can always find exceptions. This is more a general discussion.
I would say this. Let's compare two valley schools.
Notre Dame, which is probably the best of the "affordable" private schools, and Granada Hills.
Notre Dame has like 1200 kids. Granada has like 4000.
So you are correct in that part of what you pay for is smaller class size (though I would dispute the more individual attention - that is solely dependent on the individual teacher and student).
If you have a kid who is motivated to do well in school - you could send them to Granada and Notre Dame and on average get the same results academically (GPA, AP, test scores, college choices). Sports-wise, ND facilities are nicer for sure. Results-wise, it depends on your sport, but maybe an edge to ND.
The top students at most schools I believe in general to be interchangeable. But due to size differences, statistically a smaller private school will yield better quantifiable results.
You can have a better sense of community in a private school, but on the other hand, you can argue there is little diversity in privates and thus does not expose kids to real life.
In the end, the choice is up to each family, but there is no right or wrong answer.
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